regarding all the talk about a possible insanity plea here (I realize some of it is facetious, but for whatever it's worth), I'll throw in something I posted in the previous item on this case:
first of all, it's my understanding (and my expertise on this matter is limited to several episodes of L&O and exactly one summer course in forensic psychology), NGRIs ("not guilty by reason of insanity" defenses) are actually pretty uncommon.
of course, this has become a pretty high-profile case, so who knows... if his defense attorneys do go the NGRI route, Clark would have to first demonstrate to a clinician's satisfaction that he actually suffers from some legitimate DSM-IV diagnosis
but part of why NGRIs are so rare is that a clinical diagnosis doesn't just excuse a defendant from the charges. In fact, NGRIs can be very unappealing to defendants because instead of walking out of court scot-free or receiving some kind of determinate sentence, the judge can — depending on the diagnosis — commit the defendant to a psychiatric facility indefinitely.
I don't know what kind of sentence he'd be facing under Connecticut's homicide statute (or whatever plea terms the DA might offer), but at least in some cases, doing jail time is actually preferable to claiming insanity because at least you know you're getting out.
(That point might be moot, of course, if he's looking at a life sentence, the death penalty, etc.)
considering the police have forensic evidence, I doubt this'll make it to trial. I think he'll take a plea for some sort of reduced sentence, especially if this accomplice business gives him any bargaining power.
I still wanna know who's bloody clothes they found in the ceiling; and if she was suffocated -- why all the blood? AND... dun dun dun... Who's blood was it? A few scratches does not a blood-stained mess make.
And he'll probably spill all. He has that; "I did a bad, bad thing, and I need to tell someone" look about him. I'm guessing if it wasn't some sort of chemical induced crazy, Annie Le was on the fast track, and he was stuck in the mouse poop, so naturally he snapped. And by naturally I mean, crazy-as-a-hatter, and unable to deal with his inadequacies i.e. the chex-mix combo for most nutters who murder pretty, successful, people.
@Spirit Fingers: I was a graduate student. You could hardly call our work the 'fast track,' unless you think 6-8 years of education/apprenticeship and disproportionally low pay after you graduate is considered 'fast track.' Working for pharma or biotech down the line doesn't exponentially increase your earning power either. Believe it or not, most of us who manage to scrap through the program actually sort of, kind of, enjoy the work for what it is.
Also, working at Yale as a C&T is not that bad. There's a union. A lot of benefits. Once you're in the system you'll have a job for life. There's also overtime for employees in his category. If this guy thought his job was inadequate given the experience and background he has, then maybe an insanity plea is appropriate.
@Paul.B.Dodd: and if u have kidz and they're smart they can go to school there and 100 plus related schools for close to free. that benefit for uni employees is life changing for the blue collar staff
@Paul.B.Dodd: In my opinion, it doesn't need to be that coherent. Sometimes these nutjobbies just perceive things differently, even if they have mostly the same as everyone else. Was this woman singled out for special projects? Did she gain some other attention that he was not, for whatever reason, able to obtain himself? Was he just purely jealous of her without qualification? It is still Yale, and the Ivies are known to procure increased competition among the student body. All I'm saying is to do what he did, and the police are ruling out a romantic relationship... than you'd really have to consider jealousy, envy, etc. etc. Basically, if you're killing someone and then stuffing them in a wall, all rational thought, and perhaps even rational motive, could be out the window.
So yeah, an insanity plea may not be too far off the mark.
This does not an insanity plea make. Envy is a rational motive in the eyes of the law, and is evidence of sanity, not insanity. Insanity would be like if he thought she was the devil or his dead grandmother.
@Paddington: The insanity plea that I suggested was meant as a sarcastic remark. Obviously I missed the mark. He clearly is disturbed in more ways than one but that's still a far way from being legally insane. I only inserted that line to emphasize the fact that even though he was doing what amounts to janitorial duty, his job is still better than most of the blue collar jobs available in CT, plus there is room for advancement and tuition reimbursement in the Yale system.
Also, you rarely have rich graduate students, especially ones in science.
@Spirit Fingers: I was a student there. There's very few competition in between departments or labs. It's actually collegial. There are mean-spirited people here and there but by in large some of the most helpful people I've met are from graduate school. I personally think it was a control issue. He saw the animal room as his domain and did not approve of the ways she conducted her business in there. One day he just snapped. Like fired employees returning to a former workplace with guns, he went berserk. Another example of why you should never take your job too seriously. It's a job. Look at me, instead of working I'm browsing blogs.
I give some credence to the "accomplice" angle only because he had family who worked in the lab and the news has consistently reported that none of them showed up the day after the murder. Which is very creepy to me.
@Cheap Shot: I heard a news report that said the police have definitively ruled out an affair/romantic obession motive, and believe it's definitely workplace-related. But I haven't heard anything on the subject since then...
@Cheap Shot: I read something somewhere (for real - I know that sounds vague) about an email he sent her about not following mice handling protocols or something. She responded that she would.
This sound like an insecure person with no power attempting to assert dominance over someone who appears to have it all.
@A Pimp Named DaveR: They are now portraying him as a janitor who cleaned the floors and the rodent dung but had a big attitude and liked to harass students and researchers. A turf and control freak who also, based on past police history, had issues with women.
What are you accomplishing, with this? I don't understand how you can think that a young woman's horrific murder is an appropriate topic for gossip alongside the latest episode of Top Chef or who is screwing whom at Elle magazine.
I read Gawker everyday, and I enjoy it, but I am consistently convinced that it simply lacks anything resembling a self critical process.
@Freddie DeBoer: If you read every day, you know there's more going on here than just gossip. Also, check out the pageviews on these stories. Meanwhile, you might find this Jack Shafer column about saturation coverage of Ivy murders interesting. [www.slate.com]
He concludes: "Members of the elite press identify with Harvard and Yale—even if they didn't go there. They may work for someone who went, or wish they'd gone, or hope their children go. . . .The murder-happy tabloid press, on the other hand, has always taken special joy in showcasing the pain of the high-and-mighty."
@Freddie DeBoer: For someone who "reads Gawker every day" you aren't getting it. All kinds of crime is discussed on this site and in particular this post focuses on parsing media leaks regarding case evidence. Since Gawker has a decided MEDIA focus, that seems appropos. Where's your indignation on political posts since that has nothing to do with schtupping at Elle either?
@Betty Draper: Oh Betty, Betty, Betty. I'm sure there are plenty of decent one-stop-shopping "current events" sources out there, but I don't think anyone who spends much time around here would think this is a good one. Expand your horizons! (p.s. Nice avatar.)
@Betty Draper: What reporting, yo? We're all commenting on real news OTHER people report, Betty dear. Both the writers and the commenters. That's the fun of it!
@scroll_lock: I've read some strained arguments before, but that's a doozy.
The real reason for stories likes this is the same reason as the constant invocations of 9/11: giving shallow, self-obsessed commenters an opportunity to play act moral seriousness.
@Betty Draper: Sure. Could start with news.Yahoo.com, NYT.com and Slatest.com. The last will link you to various sources to try out to see which best fits your interests. Don't forget the website (or even the print edition!) of your local paper for stuff that may directly effect your life you won't find anywhere else. And come back to Gawker for desert.
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first of all, it's my understanding (and my expertise on this matter is limited to several episodes of L&O and exactly one summer course in forensic psychology), NGRIs ("not guilty by reason of insanity" defenses) are actually pretty uncommon.
of course, this has become a pretty high-profile case, so who knows... if his defense attorneys do go the NGRI route, Clark would have to first demonstrate to a clinician's satisfaction that he actually suffers from some legitimate DSM-IV diagnosis
but part of why NGRIs are so rare is that a clinical diagnosis doesn't just excuse a defendant from the charges. In fact, NGRIs can be very unappealing to defendants because instead of walking out of court scot-free or receiving some kind of determinate sentence, the judge can — depending on the diagnosis — commit the defendant to a psychiatric facility indefinitely.
I don't know what kind of sentence he'd be facing under Connecticut's homicide statute (or whatever plea terms the DA might offer), but at least in some cases, doing jail time is actually preferable to claiming insanity because at least you know you're getting out.
(That point might be moot, of course, if he's looking at a life sentence, the death penalty, etc.)
considering the police have forensic evidence, I doubt this'll make it to trial. I think he'll take a plea for some sort of reduced sentence, especially if this accomplice business gives him any bargaining power.
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Axis I: Intermittent Explosive Disorder (312.34), rule out Impulse Control Disorder NOS
Axis II: r/o Antisocial Personality Disorder
Axis III: Hella bruises and scratches
Axis IV: Legal problems, on trial for murder
Axis V: 40
There's your legitimate DSM IV multiaxial diagnosis, although I don't think it's sufficient to keep this guy out of prison or say that he's "insane".
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"They didn't strike me as someone who would try to kill somebody." [gawker.com]
Maybe the neighbor knows something?
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And he'll probably spill all. He has that; "I did a bad, bad thing, and I need to tell someone" look about him. I'm guessing if it wasn't some sort of chemical induced crazy, Annie Le was on the fast track, and he was stuck in the mouse poop, so naturally he snapped. And by naturally I mean, crazy-as-a-hatter, and unable to deal with his inadequacies i.e. the chex-mix combo for most nutters who murder pretty, successful, people.
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Also, working at Yale as a C&T is not that bad. There's a union. A lot of benefits. Once you're in the system you'll have a job for life. There's also overtime for employees in his category. If this guy thought his job was inadequate given the experience and background he has, then maybe an insanity plea is appropriate.
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So yeah, an insanity plea may not be too far off the mark.
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This does not an insanity plea make. Envy is a rational motive in the eyes of the law, and is evidence of sanity, not insanity. Insanity would be like if he thought she was the devil or his dead grandmother.
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Also, you rarely have rich graduate students, especially ones in science.
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Also: He should get the death penalty for those horrible tattoos, other crimes aside.
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I know he was obsessed with her but what was the interaction that they had? I hope he confesses everything.
Guessing his attorneys will use some baloney self defense or accidental excuse to reduce his sentence.
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This sound like an insecure person with no power attempting to assert dominance over someone who appears to have it all.
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I read Gawker everyday, and I enjoy it, but I am consistently convinced that it simply lacks anything resembling a self critical process.
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He concludes: "Members of the elite press identify with Harvard and Yale—even if they didn't go there. They may work for someone who went, or wish they'd gone, or hope their children go. . . .The murder-happy tabloid press, on the other hand, has always taken special joy in showcasing the pain of the high-and-mighty."
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So while I am happy to read Top Chef re-caps because I can't watch it, I do appreciate Gawker reporting real news.
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The real reason for stories likes this is the same reason as the constant invocations of 9/11: giving shallow, self-obsessed commenters an opportunity to play act moral seriousness.
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There is justice in a world of fashion compassion.
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