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    Image of BxgrlJeri BxgrlJeri
    08/11/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    I would have liked her to say, "Fuck what Bill thinks. Bill thinks its smart for a sitting president to get blow jobs from a White House intern. Channel this. Next question."
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    08/11/09

    @BxgrlJeri: ZING!
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    Image of The Real JR The Real JR
    08/11/09

    @BxgrlJeri: I request a T-shirt with this comment on it.
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    Image of BeatriceAttis BeatriceAttis
    08/11/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    My husband is not secretary of state, I am.

    She would have been better served had she simply stopped there. A subtle joke would've worked as well.

    Whatever happened to cultural sensitivity? Regardless of who was at fault- the student or translator- all who heard this exchange would have been better served had Madame Secretary chosen to expoud on feminism and its ideals.
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    Image of kappakappaspankme kappakappaspankme
    08/11/09

    @BeatriceAttis: Forgive me - but regardless of geography and cultural mores, no one would *dare* ask a man what his wife thinks. Cultural sensitivity is a two way street.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/11/09

    @BeatriceAttis: Huh? When did she do that? The question that was asked of her was, in so many words, "What does Mr. Clinton think through the mouth of Mrs. Clinton?" She responded, "My husband is not the Secretary of State, I am. If you ask my opinion, I will tell you my opinion. I am not going to be channeling my husband." Two extra sentences. Your standards for expounding are pretty low.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Did you actually read what was said to her by the translator? From the AP story: "The student's question, according to the State Department translation, went like this: 'Thank you. Mrs. Clinton, weve all heard about the Chinese contracts in this country. The interference is from the World Bank against this contract. What does Mr. Clinton think through the mouth of Mrs. Clinton and what does Mr. Mutombo think on this situation? Thank you very much.'"

    Phrased that way, it was an absurdly sexist thing to ask her -- "What does your husband think, through your mouth?" She had no way of knowing the translator had screwed up. Given that this was taking place in the Congo, where it's literally (and I do mean literally) open season on women, Clinton had every reason to react strongly to a question that seemed to erase her by virtue of her gender.
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    Image of The One The One
    08/11/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Mutombo? Why does anyone care what a retired NBA player has to say about this?
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    Image of sparky sparky
    08/11/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I still think she ought not to be so thin-skinned. She's weathered worse than this. The phrase "think through your mouth" ought to have alerted her to the possibility of a translation problem.
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    Image of jaxdesert jaxdesert
    08/11/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I am so glad you wrote this---I have seen all the morning coverage of the conversation and NONE of it showed the actual question and reported it as an error in translation along the lines of 'Clinton misunderstood what the poor foreign person was trying to say.'
    This makes me CRAZY!!!!!!! Take-to-the-streets-crazy!! It is yet another example of how media treatment of her has been sexist and exclusionary.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/11/09

    @sparky: The translator's having used an awkward phrase should have alerted her to the fact that he confused her husband with the President? That's a stretch, don't you think? It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

    I would have been just as shocked by such a question. And had that really been the question being asked of her, gentility would not have been what was called for. She is the Secretary of State. She is the President's highest-ranking advisor on foreign affairs. Her authority must be taken seriously, as a matter of crucial importance in diplomatic negotiations. No matter who asked her such a question at a public event with cameras present, she absolutely should have established her authority and autonomy from her husband in no uncertain terms, which is what she did.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/11/09

    @jaxdesert: Well, the funny part is, I myself don't like either Clinton very much. Fair is fair, though. What she said was a perfectly appropriate response to the question she believed she'd been asked.
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    08/11/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I don't much like her either--love her balls, though---but I am still steamed over what I thought was biased coverage in the 08 election run-up. This just fired me up all over again like it is 1900 or something.
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    Image of Dalcyanne Dalcyanne
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    OMG, she totally said "world wind"
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    Image of Dalcyanne Dalcyanne
    08/10/09

    @Dalcyanne: And by "she" I mean the CNN person, not Clinton.
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    I get why this is not the appropriate thing to stay, notwithstanding the translators error, but this is not the appropriate reaction to a student in a foreign country asking a question. If it was a reporter, I could understand her chopping him off at the knees, but isn't one of the requirements of the Secretary of State to be diplomatic?
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    Image of The Cajun Boy The Cajun Boy
    08/10/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: Her response was a bit extreme and certainly exposed a raw nerve inside of her, but I kind of loved seeing that aide of her. She takes shit from no one.
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    08/10/09

    @The Cajun Boy: Yeah, to be honest, I think she's doing a pretty good job overall. I did find last week's story amusing where they tried to sell Bill's trip as a private matter. Anyway, I just think that a woman who has been the First Lady, a senator and Secretary of State doesn't have to worry that a Congan kid might still think that she's just the former President's wife.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/11/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: Again, he didn't just ask her what her husband thought. The translator's words made it seem that he was treating her as merely a mouthpiece for her husband. It's not her fault that the translator was thoroughly incompetent, and rephrased the student's question into something egregiously sexist.
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    08/11/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: See my first comment where I said, "notwithstanding the translators error." My comment was about her reaction being inappropriate for the situation as she understood it.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/11/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: The translator's error was only in saying the wrong name. If you're choosing to ignore the fact that she was in fact literally asked to channel her husband's response, and ignoring the implications of that as it affects her authority in her role, I don't think you're being fair.
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    She then screamed, "FUCK YO COUCH" and chugged a 40 of Old E.
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    Image of holdenfunk holdenfunk
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth

    english motherfucker...do you speak it?
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    Image of hilikusopus hilikusopus
    08/10/09

    @holdenfunk: Ha!
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    Image of Tristan Alécksandt Tristan Alécksandt
    08/11/09

    @holdenfunk: I need to heart you so much for that.
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    Image of CaptainFantastic CaptainFantastic
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Hill, I'm sending you two bottles of Coke:

    [4.bp.blogspot.com]
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    Edited by CaptainFantastic at 08/10/09 9:30 PM CaptainFantastic was starred CaptainFantastic was unstarred
    Image of CaptainFantastic CaptainFantastic
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    [redacted]
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    Edited by CaptainFantastic at 08/10/09 9:29 PM CaptainFantastic was starred CaptainFantastic was unstarred
    Image of bryanthelion bryanthelion
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Her response was correct for the situation. She has a giant, looming, dick shaped shadow hovering over her left by her husband.
    Good job Hillary!
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    homovegetarian promoted this comment The Real JR approved this comment bryanthelion was starred bryanthelion was unstarred
    Image of homovegetarian homovegetarian
    08/11/09

    @bryanthelion: you fail to understand that it is her job to an example of gentleness and humor. she is a lady, and when she is disrespected, the best thing to do is to charm the people who treat her like shit. nothing she could do will every be more important than being a good woman.
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    Image of bryanthelion bryanthelion
    08/12/09

    @homovegetarian:
    haha, you're joking right?
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    Image of lionboy lionboy
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Merely insulting a woman is considered highly diplomatic and probably a pussy-move by Congolese male standards.
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    Image of DaveDavies DaveDavies
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Well she IS the Sec. State. I would be pissed too if people asked me what my husband thought, despite the fact that I'm the one who's calling the shots.
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    Image of SparkleNeelySparkle SparkleNeelySparkle
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Just like in the '90s, it's really none of the public's business whether Mrs. Clinton (or any other woman) is going to be "channeling" her husband.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment Edited by SparkleNeelySparkle at 08/10/09 9:17 PM SparkleNeelySparkle was starred SparkleNeelySparkle was unstarred
    Image of son of spam son of spam
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    She stopped channeling her husband years ago.
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    Image of mslewis mslewis
    08/10/09

    In reply to Hillary Clinton Growls, Shows Her Teeth
    Too much is being made of this. Mr. Clinton went to Korea because he was asked to go. Mrs. Clinton knew he was going. This exchange with the student was unfortunate but I see her point. She felt she was being disrespected and it ticked her off. From what I understand, she and the student shook hands afterwards and things were straighten out. No need for further comment on the cable news channels. (There will be further comment, of course, probably for the next month or so!!)
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