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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/19/09

    In reply to Making Facebook Pay
    Tech people seem to believe that the entire digital world is a brand new realm, whose laws and fiats they can cavalierly disregard, or invent to their own whim.

    For example, Sergei Brin's declaration in the times when Google made a deal to digitize the collection of French heritage literature at the BNF? When he said "of course this isn't a license on the work", but went on to say "sure, any author can voluntarily withdraw from our directory and set his own pricing scheme". Which of course implies that Google WOULD indeed have a de facto kind of license on the digital information.

    Facebook here seems to be following this gross pattern, assuming that all digital information is theirs to do with as they please, since it is hosted on their architecture. It's like assuming that a gallery can just give away copies of a painting since the original is hanging on the wall, waiting to be sold.
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    Image of BowlingForDollars BowlingForDollars
    12/19/09

    In reply to Making Facebook Pay
    This may sound lame, but I have Creative Commons on all of my material on Facebook. If they make it available in search, isn't that exploiting my "works"?
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    Image of SidAndFinancy SidAndFinancy
    12/18/09

    In reply to Making Facebook Pay
    Thank goodness for that Gateway settlement; I need to sell my own personal information to feed my Phonics jones.
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    Image of sfBirdie sfBirdie
    12/18/09

    In reply to Making Facebook Pay
    Whacky Patty (Overstock ceo Patrick Byrne) has been using this info to create a list of "enemies" (via DeepCapture). That is, anyone who has been critical of overstock, plus their friends, their kids, their spouses, etc.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    In reply to Making Facebook Pay
    How are they making that money exactly? From selling user info to advertisers? It sure ain't from the little ads they have on the site itself.
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    Image of narnio narnio
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Why?
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @narnio: I've done informal polls. I don't know anyone who has clicked on a facebook ad more than once in their lives.
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    Image of CJCregg CJCregg
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Oh! You did an informal poll of the people you know! Then there can't be any money in on-line advertising. Silly internets.
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    Image of ArleenCabango ArleenCabango
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: probably something like folks paying X amount to have their ads in the system. a system which is supposed to serve up ads based on things in your profile. like if you say you are gay, you get the gay focused dating site ads. and so on
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @CJCregg: We'll open up the poll... have *you* clicked on fb ads more than once?

    If you have info, share it. How much revenue do they make from their ads?
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    Image of narnio narnio
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: And you're sure that click throughs are the *only* way they derive revenue from advertising?
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @ArleenCabango: I think it goes beyond the site. I've discussed things online at venues other than facebook, and a targeted ad pops up on facebook. Has happened way too many times for chance, to me and others.. but.. still.. how many people click on those stupid ads??
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    12/18/09

    @narnio: I think (see above) that they sell info to advertisers for targeting purposes. Information about your specific interests is being pooled and sold. Who knows... maybe people *are* clicking on those stupid little ads?
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    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: ..............................................
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @narnio: You fell asleep?
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    Image of FitnessMadeSimple FitnessMadeSimple
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: I don't know anyone who's given their personal info and some cash to the attorney of a recently deceased foreign dignitary looking to give away said dignitary's estate...but presumably, there are people who have, otherwise those emails wouldn't still be going around.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @FitnessMadeSimple: Have you clicked on the ads?? Numbers, damnit.
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    Image of FitnessMadeSimple FitnessMadeSimple
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Not technically, specifically because I don't like clicking on ads...but I've Googled things I've seen in ads so I could look into them without actually clicking.
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    12/18/09

    @FitnessMadeSimple: YOU DONT LIKE CLICKING ON ADS?
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    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: AD IMPRESSIONS. GO LOOK IT UP.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @narnio: Um, ad impressions work fine for branding of big things. I only see ads for little things. If fb is able to sell impressions to the small guy, pretty slick. But whatever, you're clearly in a bad mood.
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    Image of FitnessMadeSimple FitnessMadeSimple
    12/18/09

    @narnio: NO I DON'T.
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    Image of michaelmatthewmckay michaelmatthewmckay
    12/18/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Facebook ads are a fantastic tool for small businesses, as it allows them to target their market very cheaply, and very accurately, by using keywords that are in user's profiles, as well as geography and demographics. I use it for my business and it is very profitable.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/18/09

    @michaelmatthewmckay: Are you buying clicks or impressions?
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    Image of IN THE FACE! IN THE FACE!
    12/17/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    wow, I didn't realize anyone cared...
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    Image of cassandra cassandra
    12/17/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    GAWKER! RYAN! Seriously, you guys need to spearhead a Facebook boycott day, where everyone deactivates their accounts for 24 or 48 hours. That will send a message that users are still in control of whether they use Facebook or not. You guys reach millions of people. You could do it.

    If you don't do it, we're all just sitting around posting status updates while Zuckerberg gets richer and richer. Let's make him one of those tech burnouts instead.
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    Image of ub ub
    12/17/09

    @cassandra: Wait, what? Why do we hate Zuckerberg?
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    Image of cassandra cassandra
    12/17/09

    @ub: Uh, because he is engineering the release of information (that we thought was protected) to the public to enrich himself?
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    Image of BlinkyMcChuck BlinkyMcChuck
    12/17/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    Doesn't he keep screwing this site up because he stole it to begin with?
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    Image of Juancho Juancho
    12/17/09

    @BlinkyMcChuck: [www.aarongreenspan.com]
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    Image of gooneruk gooneruk
    12/17/09

    In reply to Alisher Usmanov: The Scary Russian Oligarch Seducing Silicon Valley
    He also owns a large chunk of Arsenal football club, around 25%, I think. He's not the largest shareholder (Stan Kroenke is, who also owns the Denver Nuggets), but given Usmanov's background it's a little worrying for us Arsenal fans.

    He's also no stranger to the law courts, especially the libel courts. When he first invested in Arsenal a few years ago, some bloggers looked at his background and repeated the facts that he'd been convicted of certain fraud crimes. These were all on public record, yet he attempted to have these blogs removed and suspended by their hosts.

    Don't be surprised if Gawker gets a letter from his lawyer pretty soon...
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    Image of Coolmodo Coolmodo
    12/17/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    Please don't anyone act surprised, no matter what fancy names we give these services; MySpace, Facebook etc..

    In the end these are data mining companies, privacy is an obstacle for them.

    Sooner or later this was bound to happen. Richard Stallmann has been warning about this for years, that moving to cloud based services will lead to immoral usage policies.

    This is yet another day where I am happy that I never touched any of these "networking" sites.
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    Image of trixiekiddO trixiekiddO
    12/17/09

    @Coolmodo: Amen my friend. These sites are so freaking toxic and people just. don't. get. it.

    I've never understood the notion of puking ones entire life on the web. The scary thing is that to me, it blatantly shows that we have become a society that is so connected that we have become absolutely disconnected. Can you "really" be a 'true' friend to 500 people? Or, are you and your 500 friends just voyeurs in each other's stupid existence? It's all really fucking sad.

    Although...I have wrestled with the idea of creating a page just so I can post "Takin' a poop" multiple times a day...
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    Image of not_a_virus.exe.vbs not_a_virus.exe.vbs
    12/17/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    Why would you not want to FB people you know?
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    Image of Pablo Arevalo Pablo Arevalo
    12/17/09

    @not_a_virus.exe.vbs:
    You mean you're OK with having that neighbor/coworker/distant relative you can't stand spam you (and your friends) with inane/offensive/whatever posts on FB as well as those times you have to talk to them in RL?
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    not_a_virus.exe.vbs promoted this comment Pablo Arevalo was starred Pablo Arevalo was unstarred
    Image of not_a_virus.exe.vbs not_a_virus.exe.vbs
    12/17/09

    @Pablo Arevalo: I don't know anyone that annoying IRL but you make a good point.
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    Image of lobstr lobstr
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    Goddammit.. the last thing I needed is for my kindergarten teacher to see I'm the head of the Conrad Bain fan club, southwest chapter.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    Tell me again why I want FB?
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    Image of macpatrik macpatrik
    12/16/09

    @Alfisted: Dude? Are you for serious? You remember all those drunk, embarrassing pictures you took last night? Well of course you don't. But now half of your family does, and that weird kid that sat next to you freshman year does, and so does that cute girl that was interested in you(not so much anymore), and so does your boss, o and your neighbor. Why wouldn't you want one?
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    Image of Hiroine Protagonist Hiroine Protagonist
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    I'm gonna meet christmas all over your ass in a minute.
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    Image of cpjones cpjones
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Facebook Privacy Settings You've Lost Forever
    Hmmm, I deleted my myspace account a couple of months ago. Maybe I should go back? I wonder if this is an attempt by Facebook to reignite the competition, since they basically have none now that myspace all but bowed down to FB. I'm not sure I can go back to the stupid backgrounds, loud videos and music that immediately start when you access a profile, and the constant adbot friend requests though.
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    Image of [DFX] Deimos [DFX] Deimos
    12/16/09

    @cpjones: Thanks for reminding me to delete my MySpace account....
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