Between the Polanski case, Tatum O'Neal and Jacko's and Brooke's childhoods, not to mention sensational Mackenzie revelations- can we all agree the 1970's were just disgusting?
@Baroness: Well, from reading about the contemporary world of modeling on Jez and considering Jon Anand's recent conviction on rape charges, I don't think the world has changed much since then.
@Baroness: Personally, I enjoyed the hell out of the (late) 70s. Drugs were being decriminalized; Everyone was having promiscuous sex; Boundaries were being tested; It was a hedonist's dream, come true.
@Magister: And then the dream ended when we realized that the drugs led to addiction, the promiscuous sex led to AIDS, the boundry-testing led to chaos, and the hedonists refused to help cleap up the mess they made.
@Baroness: Except for the squirmingly tight pants of the era, it seems the '70s would have been awesome. Moon shots, drugs, sex, rock 'n roll that mattered (so the Olds say). Plus the joys of pointing at the John Birchers and snickering.
Although the assassinations, the draft & the Mansons (the non-musical ones) would have sucked.
Yet Post-Punk hadn't been invented yet (and presumably angst & alienation), so adolescence would have been depressingly perky.
@Trai_Dep: All the negatives you tick were over by '72. After that, I couldn't wait to grow up. When I finally did I got aids reagan and yuppies. Even the porn got worse.
Shit happens. It's a wire service, they churn stuff out 24/7, and very rarely, considering the huge amount of content they send out, things end up on the wire that weren't supposed to end up on the wire.
He fucked a 14 year-old girl in the ass. She said so, he admitted it. He needs 20 years in prison. I don't care if he served it 30 years ago or if he serves it now. Too bad if it now amounts to a life sentence. He fucked a 14 year-old girl in the ass. He should be killed by all rights, but 20 years in Cali State Prison is at least something. He's a child rapist. There's nothing to misunderstand, and there is no art.
@ian spiegelman: As it is on the public record, let's not sugar coat it: he drugged a 14 year old girl and then raped her, repeatedly. Yes, he should go to jail. No, it doesn't matter at all what he does for a living. And the mother should also have been, or be prosecuted.
That said, what consideration is due to the victim, who now wants to be left alone to live her life out of the public eye as best she can? Her rights were violated by the assault. Does she have the right to influence the type or nature of the trial now? Does she have the ability to do so?
@irishbreakfast: Her testimony is already on the record. I believe Polanski's conviction is as well. This doesn't require another trial. It doesn't require that the victim testify again. It requires only that he be brought back to the US to serve his sentence. The victim, I think, would need only resurface if she wanted to make a statement. But as I understand it he has already been convicted and sentenced in absentia. All that is left is that he serve his time. The scumbag.
Also. Whenever people speak of this, they should mention that Quentin Tarantino went on Howard Stern two years ago and defended Polanski, saying the 14-year-old her brutally raped was an "L.A. party girl." Reflect on that before anyone buys Inglorious Basterds on DVD.
@ian spiegelman: You're talking about an isolated incident 32 years ago that he didn't repeat.
Do you think that California should release one of their homicidal child rapists so that they'll have space in jail for someone who poses no threat to anyone?
And I can't believe that you would actually advocate that child molesters be executed. What a fucking evil -- not to mention stupidly narrow-minded -- view of criminal behavior and morality.
@i'm a bottle: How in the hell do you call the brutal rape of a child by a fully grown man an "isolated incident"? Did Polanski just decide one day, "I'd like to drug a tiny, defenseless child and rape her in the asshole today, but I won't ever do it again"?
We have no idea if he repeated it or not while in France. The sex abuse laws there are primitive, and sex between adults and kids is almost never prosecuted. Because France is "free-thinking".
We also have no reason to believe that this child rapist poses no threat to anyone. If you rape one kid, you'll rape more of them. Everything we know about child fuckers says that is so. Polanski, based on his taste for foreign children, has probably raped again and again in France, where they don't call it rape if the victim's father has been paid for it.
Shoving this scumbag into a California prison would not free anyone. Where do you get your info? Polanski finally serving his sentence would not set anyone free who is charged with a violent felony.
Finally: Of course child molesters should be executed. There is no cure. There is no turning it off. There is no healing. They are all, every one of them, violent, once they pass through the first few stages of the terror they visit upon the world.
They will all commit murder if left out there. And how is raping a child less than murder in terms of what we will not accept?
I can't believe you think you have the moral ground here. Idiots like you are why everyone gets the death penalty. You have no idea when to shut your fucking face.
@ian spiegelman: "Shoving this scumbag into a California prison would not free anyone. Where do you get your info?"
Here's where I'm getting my information. The reality of protecting children from serious sex offenders in California is grim. They release them and can't even keep track of them because of massive budget cutbacks. So, in such a climate, is this really the time for LA to embark on some costly show trial (teams of attorneys, PR people, security, police investigations, etc.) to put Polanski behind bars for a few months when real predators are roaming free? You tough on crime types end up causing more crime.
I'm not even going to answer your other questions, most of them hardly make sense. I assume that you're drunk (-- isn't nine a little too early?). The few that somewhat resemble ideas are clearly thrown in only for the shock value.
(I'm pretty confused about what you mean by "idiots like you are why everyone gets the death penalty." How did you arrive at that?)
Hmm...as a native Angelino, (3d generation) I am still wondering who has a hard on for this guy after 30+ years.
On the other hand, if the little weasel had gone to jail in 1978 he and his rich friends would undoubtedly have been able to get his sentence reduced or get him a new trail and he wouln't be in this shit now. So I'm kind of torn...
You know, if the mainstream press was half as proactive and aggressive on real news ("death panels", "keep your gummit hands off MY Medicare", "Kenyans"...) as they are with Celebs In Peril stories*, I'd be living in the most glorious republic on the face of the Earth.
@Trai_Dep: Not sure I understand what you are asking to see more of in the news:
The controversy of idiocy (ie keep the gummit hands off Medicare)?
Geez- isn't that obvious enough now.
Or are you asking the press to explain that Medicare is a state run institution?
It would be good- if someone explained it to them, but they wouldn't believe it anyway-doesn't suit their greed agenda.
The blog-borne schadenfreude over this will be chafing the AP's ass for weeks to come. Nice to see an outfit that consistently shows a total misunderstanding of the Web have the Web bite it on the ass.
@Baroness: if you play it backwards AND at high speed it tells you to braid your hair and wear leather shorts. I heard this in Warehouse for Men, and it's true.
Foster, if you're going there with 'probing,' why not go all the way? Do they really have to throw a bone? Would it not be better to just lay down? Or maybe simply give it up?
Probing is a little off color, then how about "new york is really hot on this."?
AP is lucky that's the worst of it. But let this be a reminder: Notes mode be damned -- Never, never put anything on a story file you wouldn't want a everyone to see.
"sheila, theorizes that's because they're under intense pressure over ubs and want to throw the U.S. a bone, but can you check with justice department sources there?"
I actually came to suggest this. Switzerland is altering its legislation on international tax evasion, mostly at the behest of the United States and its multibillion dollar lawsuit against the Union Bank of Switzerland.
@britneyspearstears: and yet he hasn't. he put this all on himself. first by having sex with a child. albeit it wasn't rape in the sense of held her down and forced himself. she was apparently at that time fully willing, ready and able. but he was 25 years older and should have not gone there. then instead of saying 'okay it wasn't a cool thing to admitting this, apologizing, getting therapy, paying for her to get therapy etc he ran. He's been running and hiding all this time because of one thing -- himself.
Frankly I"m not going to be shocked if they do send him to the States where, for the sake of the woman, the rape case is dropped. but then he gets 10 years for fleeing.
@ArleenCabango: uhhh, he has. Rape case aside, having your family die in the holocaust, followed by having your pregnant wife killed by the Manson family I think counts as going through a lot. I don't think he brought that part on himself.
@Helennellieforsythe: Are you fucking kidding me? So surviving the Holocaust and losing a wife to murder is literally a 'get out of jail free' now? Thanks for spitting on every survivor who worked at making sure that no-one ever suffered again. And managed to keep their dicks out of little girls (after drugging them).
So by your reasoning Susan Atkins did him a solid then. Wonder if he got a chance to thank her.
@topsy: You should read Helennellie's comment again. I think you may have misinterpreted it. She said, 1) that he has been through a) the Holocaust and b) the murder of his wife [and unborn child], and, 2) that he didn't bring (1a) and (1b) on himself. Maybe there is a subtext there that I don't see, so perhaps you can point that out if you think that I'm in error.
@topsy: Whoa, that's not what I was saying at all. What he did was terrible, and I'm not excusing it, but saying that he hasn't been through a lot is bullshit.
@Helennellieforsythe: I hear what you're saying and I don't give a fuck. Polanski went through horror and he inflicted horror on a child. Who he proceeded to call a whore for many years until he bought her off. He's never had a problem dragging the Holocaust and his dead wife's body into view whenever he's asked to face the fact that he's a self-confessed rapist. I lose a lot of my sympathy when a man drugs a child and then proceeds to stick his dick up her ass.
@topsy: Okay, you really need to calm the fuck down. I've dealt with you before, and you got into one of these nonsense arguments with me. I fought back, but then you and your Jezebel (no offense) friends ganged up on me. Five minutes later, I looked in my personal message box, and there were some messages from different people saying that they have had similar experiences with you and that I shouldn't bother arguing anymore.
What annoys me is not that what you do is pathological, it's more so that it's really insanely boring.
i have to agree with Topsy. playing the holocaust etc card is no excuse. lots of folks survived the holocaust. lots have been the family of victims, some have been victims themselves. they don't go running for years when they know they did something wrong. That is if they do something that nasty at all. Had Roman stood up and sincerely apologized for his serious lack of judgment and admitted that the traumas he'd been through might have caused him major issues for which he was now going to get help, he might have actually avoided lock up or been able to go to a hospital instead. which is still likely more than he deserved but it wouldn't have put that girl through another 30 years while he waved from ran around like nothing was wrong.
@i'm a bottle: It would be wise to not be drawn on the issue. I think Topsy is one of those paranoid rage stoners, the opposite of a high functioning stoner.
@ArleenCabango: Yes, it is NO EXCUSE AT ALL. Howver Topsy decided to rail for that fact despite the fact that nobody even came close to stating the opposite. So, you and Topsy have won the vote 2:0.
@i'm a bottle: Roman is that you? Sorry, you obviously aren't capable of leaving a lasting impression because I don't know who the fuck you are. Let's keep it that way why don't we.
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Although the assassinations, the draft & the Mansons (the non-musical ones) would have sucked.
Yet Post-Punk hadn't been invented yet (and presumably angst & alienation), so adolescence would have been depressingly perky.
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That said, what consideration is due to the victim, who now wants to be left alone to live her life out of the public eye as best she can? Her rights were violated by the assault. Does she have the right to influence the type or nature of the trial now? Does she have the ability to do so?
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Also. Whenever people speak of this, they should mention that Quentin Tarantino went on Howard Stern two years ago and defended Polanski, saying the 14-year-old her brutally raped was an "L.A. party girl." Reflect on that before anyone buys Inglorious Basterds on DVD.
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Do you think that California should release one of their homicidal child rapists so that they'll have space in jail for someone who poses no threat to anyone?
And I can't believe that you would actually advocate that child molesters be executed. What a fucking evil -- not to mention stupidly narrow-minded -- view of criminal behavior and morality.
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We have no idea if he repeated it or not while in France. The sex abuse laws there are primitive, and sex between adults and kids is almost never prosecuted. Because France is "free-thinking".
We also have no reason to believe that this child rapist poses no threat to anyone. If you rape one kid, you'll rape more of them. Everything we know about child fuckers says that is so. Polanski, based on his taste for foreign children, has probably raped again and again in France, where they don't call it rape if the victim's father has been paid for it.
Shoving this scumbag into a California prison would not free anyone. Where do you get your info? Polanski finally serving his sentence would not set anyone free who is charged with a violent felony.
Finally: Of course child molesters should be executed. There is no cure. There is no turning it off. There is no healing. They are all, every one of them, violent, once they pass through the first few stages of the terror they visit upon the world.
They will all commit murder if left out there. And how is raping a child less than murder in terms of what we will not accept?
I can't believe you think you have the moral ground here. Idiots like you are why everyone gets the death penalty. You have no idea when to shut your fucking face.
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Here's where I'm getting my information. The reality of protecting children from serious sex offenders in California is grim. They release them and can't even keep track of them because of massive budget cutbacks. So, in such a climate, is this really the time for LA to embark on some costly show trial (teams of attorneys, PR people, security, police investigations, etc.) to put Polanski behind bars for a few months when real predators are roaming free? You tough on crime types end up causing more crime.
I'm not even going to answer your other questions, most of them hardly make sense. I assume that you're drunk (-- isn't nine a little too early?). The few that somewhat resemble ideas are clearly thrown in only for the shock value.
(I'm pretty confused about what you mean by "idiots like you are why everyone gets the death penalty." How did you arrive at that?)
Enjoy the article -- and your next drink -- Ian.
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Show me on the Code pénal where France hurt you.
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Whoops!
[I saw what you did there.]
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On the other hand, if the little weasel had gone to jail in 1978 he and his rich friends would undoubtedly have been able to get his sentence reduced or get him a new trail and he wouln't be in this shit now. So I'm kind of torn...
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The controversy of idiocy (ie keep the gummit hands off Medicare)?
Geez- isn't that obvious enough now.
Or are you asking the press to explain that Medicare is a state run institution?
It would be good- if someone explained it to them, but they wouldn't believe it anyway-doesn't suit their greed agenda.
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Ass.
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AP is lucky that's the worst of it. But let this be a reminder: Notes mode be damned -- Never, never put anything on a story file you wouldn't want a everyone to see.
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I actually came to suggest this. Switzerland is altering its legislation on international tax evasion, mostly at the behest of the United States and its multibillion dollar lawsuit against the Union Bank of Switzerland.
This would seem not entirely unrelated.
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Frankly I"m not going to be shocked if they do send him to the States where, for the sake of the woman, the rape case is dropped. but then he gets 10 years for fleeing.
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So by your reasoning Susan Atkins did him a solid then. Wonder if he got a chance to thank her.
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What annoys me is not that what you do is pathological, it's more so that it's really insanely boring.
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Uh, at least I hope he/she isn't sober.
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This is the result of--what I believe to be--the poor judgment of nearly everyone involved...
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