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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    I've read the article Langewiesche wrote for VF, and Sully's right. It's really just the macguffin to sell the book and differentiate it from the others. Langewiesche really does know his stuff when it comes to technical aircraft details, but in fact this is WAY overplayed.

    Langewiesche is in love with the Daring Young Men in Their Flying Machines view of flying; a man, a stick, Death rides shotgun. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    Well, I haven't read the book, or Sully's, for that matter, but as anyone who has ever worked with anything automated knows, it's the human who makes the difference. The human sees subtleties that the computer can't, the human has experience the computer doesn't, and the human knows when something is going wrong with the automation and can compensate for it. Let's assume that the automation did 95% of the work in the "miracle" situation; the 5% that Sully handled is where having the right person mattered, and why Sully's cool professionalism makes him invaluable. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    I thought that multiple A320 pilots went on record saying that certain features of the automated cockpit made it more difficult to execute the maneuver as Sully did it. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    Plane-Loving Minutiae Boy vs. Big Clangin' Balls Guy

    In the ring, gents. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    There's no wire for keeping your cool, Billy. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    I am going to suggest that Sully landed in the river ***despite*** the automated pilot, and that the automated pilot was doing everything the hell it could to keep the plane from landing in the river #sully
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    11/16/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: Imagine off-roading with a GPS. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    Langewiesche seems to want it both ways, happy to stir up controversy but sort of mealy mouthed when the subject talks back. Now he tells the Times about the autopilot: "I don’t think its role is critical, but it was functioning, it’s part of the story."

    But the earlier Times' review of his book, which portrayed it as very dismissive of Sullenberger's role, includes this: But his actual control of Flight 1549, Mr. Langewiesche writes, was "less reflective of unusual skill." No knock against Sully, he suggests, but almost any decent pilot could have done it. Then there is the image of how the designers of the fly-by-wire system reached out across the years and cradled them all the way to the water. [www.nytimes.com]
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    Anyone seen those Sully at St. Jude commercials yet? He's like "I'm not a hero. These tiny children deciding to exist in spite of the constant horrible reality of their cancers are the heroes." But his humility just makes him a double-hero! #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    Langewiesche probably gets his jollies telling kids the tooth fairy doesn't exist. #sully
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    A book like this should be beneath Langewiesche, who is usually terrific. #sully
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    11/16/09

    @J. Henry Waugh: My thoughts exactly. Maybe he's run out of smart-guy stuff to write about? #sully
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    Image of Richard Petty Bourgeoisie Richard Petty Bourgeoisie
    11/16/09

    In reply to Hero Pilot Smacks Down Fancy Book-Learnin' About Hero Plane!
    Hey, Langwienercheez, did the auto-pilot "calm" those three stewardesses in the JFK Comfort Inn in Jamaica, Queens later that night? Didn't think so. #sully
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    11/16/09

    @Richard Petty Bourgeoisie: Putting the "cock" in the cockpit! Auto-erotic!
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    Edited by Perhaps Not at 11/16/09 1:43 PM Perhaps Not was starred Perhaps Not was unstarred
    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/06/09

    In reply to Writers Brawl After Nerds Stop Brawling
    Not ONE "the lurkers are with me?" #skype
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    11/06/09

    In reply to Writers Brawl After Nerds Stop Brawling
    This is exactly like the notes we passed in junior high! Exactly! Somebody said something and somebody else scoffed and that one came back and roared and then another one said he didn't get the message. There's nothing new under the sun, but I think Mardou was more incisive way back when ... #skype
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Why Keith Olbermann Didn't Literally Kill Sean Hannity at This Baseball Game
    They NEED each other in order to have a villain, grow a following, build their ratings, and command high salaries. Don't believe the hype. #keitholbermann
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Why Keith Olbermann Didn't Literally Kill Sean Hannity at This Baseball Game
    Whys is it "right-leaning" Fox and plain-old MSNBC or CNN? Yes, Fox tilts to the right. However, MSNBC and CNN tilt to the left too. #keitholbermann
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    Image of Pesti-Esti Pesti-Esti
    11/05/09

    @Gawkerati: I'm sorry, I have to disagree. CNN tilts to the stupid. #keitholbermann
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    11/05/09

    @Gawkerati: CNN tilts to the left? You're kidding. What anywhere else in the world would be considered center-right at most gets considered "left" here. Meanwhile, yes, MSNBC skews mildly left in terms of its overall editorial viewpoint. But neither even approaches the level of totally ideologically-driven propaganda at which Fox News consistently operates.

    However, even that is beside the point, really. Because my problem with Fox isn't that it's conservative. They have every right to be as conservative as they like, if they'd only be honest about it. What they don't have a right to do is to consistently misrepresent opinion as fact, misreport events, and create news, while pretending to be a "fair and balanced" source of information. #keitholbermann
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    11/05/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I'll agree with everything you said, but lately MSNBC has been more than listing to the left, especially in primetime and though CNN has lost some of their lustre due to budget cuts , I'd still put them closer to the middle of the road. #keitholbermann
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    Image of Mediahohoho Mediahohoho
    11/05/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Totally agree. And keep in mind that both Shuster and Matthews routinely interview the most insane far right assholes as people having legitimate political opinions. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you former Bush/Cheney bag man and total nutcase Frank Gaffney, who famously said this year that Saddam Hussein was behind the Oklahoma City bombing. There is no corollary to that on the left, none. That's just insane.
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    Image of Parah_Salin Parah_Salin
    11/06/09

    @Mediahohoho: I've never seen Olbermann cry when discussing republicans, the way I see Beck cry when discussing Obama. I feel like crying every time that "person of color" John Boehner opens his mouth.
    People can call MSNBC "left leaning" but they regularly give Pat Buchanan airtime for his crazy old time republican nonsense, and Joe Scarborough (un)Fair his own show. The best that Fox could do was let Alan Colmes meekly defend the left from time to time. #keitholbermann
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    11/06/09

    @Gawkerati: AHAHA!!! The left? #keitholbermann
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    Image of Lance Uppercut Lance Uppercut
    11/06/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: You are either blind, deaf and dumb...or I don't know what. MSNBC is 'mildly skewed' to the left? Have you ever watched the tv channel before? Olbermann is going to be getting the Nobel Prize in 2010 for "Righteous Liberal Indignation". Closely edging out Maddow. But not to worry, Ed Schultz, David Schuster and Chris Matthews are total right wingers. #keitholbermann
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/07/09

    @Lance Uppercut: No, you're just someone who's bought into the insanity that is American politics, where right is now center and full-on reactionary wingnuttery is treated as valid commentary. What I said was that this is how these people would be perceived anywhere else in the world, and I stand by that. #keitholbermann
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