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    Image of AndPreciousLittleofThat AndPreciousLittleofThat
    10/12/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    Does this mean that some junior copywriter at Sterling-Cooper is going to "get fired" in some particularly gruesome way a few episodes hence?
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    Image of DaveCrabtree DaveCrabtree
    10/12/09

    @AndPreciousLittleofThat: Maybe it's too early to say, but doesn't Sal's trajectory look a bit like that? From artwork to directing commercials, etc. And does the sex angle in Sal's story suggest that sex played a part in Kater Gordon's as well?
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    Image of marjorie000 marjorie000
    10/12/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    I interviewed Matthew Weiner at a major press tour during Season 2. He spent a good 35 minutes with me- a hefty sum for a lowly mid-size blog. (I think I had been allotted @20.) The guy after me wrote for a major outlet, but he wouldn't stop until he had answered all of my questions. He was respectful, passionate and knowledgeable. He may be a control freak, but that's what an auteur is and we shouldn't criticize him for it. That is, after all, how and why we have the show we watch and love each week.
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    Foster Kamer approved this comment marjorie000 was starred marjorie000 was unstarred
    Image of Lulupasternak Lulupasternak
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    "that Mad Men hires writers with low quotes "
    It's a WGA show. He doesn't have a ton of choice.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment Lulupasternak was starred Lulupasternak was unstarred
    Image of ArleenCabango ArleenCabango
    10/11/09

    @Lulupasternak: yes and no. WGA like SAG sets minimums but a figure with a rep can have a 'quote' that is higher because of that past work.
    as for the rumors,if he had done something inappropriate we'd have heard about it about 5 minutes after she was fired.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment ArleenCabango was starred ArleenCabango was unstarred
    Image of blahniksforlife blahniksforlife
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    I'm inclined to believe the worst about Weiner because of the way he has taken all the credit for Mad Men when so much of the good stuff is the work of the art/design team. His interviews lately have been a wee more generous but mostly he seems like an egomaniac. His attempts to pass himself off as some sort of expert on the this aspect of the sixties is pathetic. I have a ph.d. in American history and my one personal interaction with Weiner years ago (just before Mad Men debuted) made me realize his level of understanding was shallower than some high school students I taught. It all boils down to this: Weiner's a dick. Contrast him with David Simon, who is at least his equal as a crazy hard-to-work-with genius: Every time Simon's interviewed he is incredibly generous in giving praise to all the people who have contributed to the show. Would I like to have dinner with either? Probably not. But one I would work for.
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    Baroness promoted this comment blahniksforlife was starred blahniksforlife was unstarred
    Image of Lulupasternak Lulupasternak
    10/11/09

    @blahniksforlife: The production designer doesn't write the scripts! You might have a PhD in history, but you don't know shit about how TV series are made.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment Lulupasternak was starred Lulupasternak was unstarred
    Image of Baroness Baroness
    10/12/09

    @blahniksforlife: Yes, how dare Weiner take credit for Mad Men, the show he only fucking created.

    A dick, is he? You've failed to prove that, and I'm sorry but our time is up. Please accept our consolation prizes, and our sympathy for your wild imagining that we care about your career.
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    Baroness was starred Baroness was unstarred
    Image of blahniksforlife blahniksforlife
    10/12/09

    @Lulupasternak:
    there is some genuinely good writing on Mad Men but almost none of that has to do with it being a period piece. They are universal stories about people, careers, and relationships. The much lauded period details are mostly superficial (oohh she wears a girdle, the office lamp was actually made in 1962) and reflect the care and input of the production team. Television is a collaborative medium. Much of the period "expertise" reflects the hard work and input of others not Weiner's deep knowledge.

    The show is good when it talks about universal truths not when it teaches about the sixties. When it tries to teach us about men and suburbia in the sixties its a weak imitation of truly great novels by the likes of Richard Yates, John Cheever, and John Updike.

    I'm sorry you misunderstood my comment but using profanity to insult me is just poor taste.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    10/12/09

    @Baroness: I was going to include this as sourced information, but apparently, the fact that Weiner is a megalomaniac is well noted by his studio execs, his production execs, his agents, everyone. So, if that helps. There's not a juicy scandal in this. But it's a questionable power play.
     Reply
    Foster Kamer was starred Foster Kamer was unstarred
    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    In all fairness to Weiner, only one person was allowed to speak when multiple people won an Emmy at this year's ceremony. It was a rule put in place to keep the show moving. And, of course, being the boss, he should be the one who gets to talk in the case of a win.
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    Brian Moylan was starred Brian Moylan was unstarred
    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    Great, you guys just broke the show.
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    Image of Smokey Orleans Smokey Orleans
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    I believe it was an NPR interview where I heard that Matthew Weiner based the Don Draper/Peggy dynamic on his relationship with David Chase when they were working on "The Sopranos". Nevertheless, that clip above sent chills up my spine.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment Smokey Orleans was starred Smokey Orleans was unstarred
    Image of GooberSaysHey GooberSaysHey
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    I don't know what the reason was, but I'm with the last commenter above. She got the sole credit for "The Fog" episode, and I thought that one was horrible. So I say go ahead and bring in the next batch.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment GooberSaysHey was starred GooberSaysHey was unstarred
    Image of Lulupasternak Lulupasternak
    10/11/09

    @GooberSaysHey: One of Finke's commenters explains

    "episode credits are often given to assistants as a reward for their hard work as an assistant. Sometimes, the assistants don’t even write the episode they get a credit for. Usually, they write a first draft, which is then heavily rewritten."
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    Image of ArleenCabango ArleenCabango
    10/11/09

    @Lulupasternak: Interesting bit from Ms Finke there. but the reason they get the credit is cause they wrote the original. per WGA rules. there have been law suits by first draft writers who were rewritten and the credit was going to go to the second string.
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    themediatrix promoted this comment ArleenCabango was starred ArleenCabango was unstarred
    Image of unclevanya unclevanya
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    When will we reach the saturation point for armchair judgmentalismism, so that everyone will finally tend to their own house rather than deflect and point?

    Hmm...I guess that question would seem less insane in a pre-internet society, huh?
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    Edited by unclevanya at 10/11/09 5:08 PM unclevanya was starred unclevanya was unstarred
    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    10/11/09

    @unclevanya: Elaborate! You don't think there's something rotten in Denmark?
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    unclevanya promoted this comment Foster Kamer was starred Foster Kamer was unstarred
    Image of unclevanya unclevanya
    10/11/09

    @Foster Kamer: Rotten enough to publicly tear down the man? I don't know. Does anyone? There's the whole "$50 punishment for a $5 crime" thing floating around.
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    unclevanya was starred unclevanya was unstarred
    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    10/11/09

    @unclevanya: No, but rotten enough to float a few theories. I don't think this man's being torn down. Maybe it's not true at all! Sometimes, flacks are telling the honest to god truth, or the honest to god truth they're being told by their clients. But a lot of people put these questions out there.
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    Edited by Foster Kamer at 10/12/09 1:05 AM Foster Kamer was starred Foster Kamer was unstarred
    Image of unclevanya unclevanya
    10/11/09

    @Foster Kamer: Apologies. They came for my Letterman, and then they came for Obama just for winning a prize he didn't ask for. I'm dirt-weary.
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    unclevanya was starred unclevanya was unstarred
    Image of secretagentman secretagentman
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    Maybe the little Weiner was doing the thinking for the big Weiner?
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    Image of secretagentman secretagentman
    10/11/09

    @secretagentman: Too easy? I was trying to find something from Welcome to the Dollhouse that fit but alas, I fail.
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    Image of Meiyou Wenti Meiyou Wenti
    10/11/09

    In reply to Why Did Matthew Weiner Fire Mad Men's Kater Gordon?
    Never upstage the boss. You will always lose out. Always.
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    Cynical Media Bitch promoted this comment Meiyou Wenti was starred Meiyou Wenti was unstarred
    Image of Dominant Glee Club Dominant Glee Club
    08/06/09

    In reply to Disney Finally Kicks 'The Bens' to the Curb For Sucking
    Now that Ben Lyons has been muzzled, clearly it needs to become the Stop Roland Emmerich blog.
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    08/06/09

    In reply to Disney Finally Kicks 'The Bens' to the Curb For Sucking
    This is the greatest, most inspiring news of the week!
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    Image of eorbital eorbital
    08/06/09

    In reply to Disney Finally Kicks 'The Bens' to the Curb For Sucking
    Am I the only one who liked I Am Legend? I mean it wasn't the best movie of all time, but it was pretty good.
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    skt.smth promoted this comment eorbital was starred eorbital was unstarred
    Image of skt.smth skt.smth
    08/06/09

    @eorbital: The movie certainly has some arresting moments earlier on, but once the feud between Will Smith and the "Zombie General" begins, the movie just goes completely downhill. The movie could have been quite good if it didn't follow the cynical Hollywood truism that we must have a recognizable central villain, and that he must yowl at the audience in an extreme close-up so we know he's the bad guy to focus our attention on. And god, the ending was just ... horrid. Why am I supposed to be touched by an ending which lionizes the martyrdom of a fictional figure? That move only works in biopics and documentaries.
    Wait, did "I Am Legend" really happen?
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    Image of HandsomeBwonderful HandsomeBwonderful
    08/06/09

    @eorbital: Yes.
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    Image of skahammer skahammer
    08/06/09

    In reply to Disney Finally Kicks 'The Bens' to the Curb For Sucking
    So the Monica Bellucci ref was just a tease? Geez, Cajun Boy, you do play hardball.
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    Edited by skahammer at 08/06/09 8:43 AM skahammer was starred skahammer was unstarred
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