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flossy
12/08/08

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Jesus fucking Christ! Hey whiny liberals: Which candidate would have better ushered in your leftist utopia? Hillary Clinton? Ha! Fuck you! Go ahead, keep on writing "I heart President Kucinich" in your notebooks--it will never fucking happen. This is the best we were going to get and a thousand times better than what we have had. So kindly shove it, thanks.
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eatsshootsleaves
12/08/08

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The staffers are liberal. The cabinet members are moderate. Historically, staffers>cabinet members. So I hate to say it, but shut up, liberals. I'll join you if it turns out Obama is capitulating to the few Republicans that are left in government, but we won't know that for, oh, another few months. However, I will be whining AT you if, in a few months, Obama does something like pass the Freedom of Choice Act, which would not be pragmatic, at all.

Also, there is no liberal consensus on what needs to be done with the economy right now. None. Ask a group of liberals what needs to be done and you'll get a ridiculous array of answers that contradict each other. It's probably the same with conservatives and moderates.
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caligulash
12/08/08

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The liberal (left) solution to economic problems appears to consist of the following proposals:

1. Declare unconstitutional government borrowing from private bankers.

2. Reassert the unconstitutionality of income tax (it won't be needed as it currently goes to pay interest to private bloodsucking bankers).

3. Declare all credit default swaps null and void.

4. Abolish the Federal Reserve System (which is not federal, not a reserve, and yes it is a system: to make the government fork for the benefit of very few, defrauding everyone else).

And son on...
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eatsshootsleaves
12/08/08

@caligulash: Do we also want to bring back the gold standard? Please tell me.
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BxgrlJeri
12/08/08

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Come now. Liberals would never be "up in arms."

That's just silly.
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skahammer
12/08/08

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Where is the section of the post that shows the proposed liberal policies that are superior to the proposed centrist ones? It's not showing on my screen.

Also, where is the section of the post that shows the proposed centrist policies?

The country is facing some hard questions right now. I really have no idea what to do with problems like gigantic fixed-asset industries that bleed cash, or financial institutions whose balance sheets are works of delusional fantasy, or any number of other outfits that could be described as Too Big To Fail. I'm not sure "liberals" or "moderates" themselves even know what those answers are yet. So what are we arguing about, again?
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BankerHardcore
12/08/08

@skahammer: Nobody really knows the answers. Everything is pretty much, "let's push this button and see what happens..."
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skahammer
12/08/08

@BankerHardcore: Well, that approach has always worked for me....
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katastic
12/08/08

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I have faith.
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smartastic
12/08/08

@katastic: in what? obama never painted himself as anything but a centrist. center left, but still.
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eatsshootsleaves
12/08/08

@smartastic: I'm really sick of ideological labels like this. If Obama does everything he promised to do, does that make him a centrist or a progressive? I don't care. I just want him to do what he promised to do -- what he DID paint himself as. I want that.
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uninspired
12/08/08

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Obama is afraid of repeating Clinton's early moves that resulted in the massive GOP landslide of '94.
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Sproing
12/08/08

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Stiglitz should just go back to photographing Georgia O'Keefe.
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SinisterRouge
12/08/08

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Ideology is what the electorate chose! They decided that Republican ideology is wrong and REJECTED it. Grow a set, Dems!
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TheHonJudgeSmails
12/08/08

@SinisterRouge: "Republican" is not an ideology. Nor is "Democrat".
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tetracycloide
12/08/08

@SinisterRouge: bush made the same assumption when he won his bid for reelection and promptly replaced all the centrist members of his cabinet which made him horrifically unpopular at a blistering pace. i think it's a good sign obama is learning from bush's mistakes and not taking even a decisive victory as carte blanche to govern from as far left as possible.
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southernbitch
12/08/08

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im definitely miffed at the fact that we seem to be entering yet another round of centrist democratic politics.
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Mikeshardlemon
12/08/08

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I hate all these people saying, "Now is not the time for ideology. We have to do what works." Shouldn't we be doing what works all of the time? I thought ideology was a concept that helped frame what someone define what they think will work.
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Mikeshardlemon
12/08/08

@Mikeshardlemon: Oops, I meant, "I thought ideology was a concept that helps people define what they think will work."
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hypocriteoath
12/08/08

@Mikeshardlemon: more often that not ideology gets in the way of intelligent decision making because it is a system of beliefs and not a system of knowledge.
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eatsshootsleaves
12/08/08

@hypocriteoath: I think that, except in rare cases, people decide what ideology to ascribe to based on social issues rather than economic issues. Or perhaps I am only speaking for myself. Liberal economics sounds better to me, but is it really? I don't know.
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