Good for her. I loved that blog and really missed it when she stopped writing so as to save her stories for the book(s). She has a clever wit and a wonderfully intelligent voice. Her writing is sharp like the air on a very cold morning. While I would never, ever want my own daughter to work as a prostitute, neither would I want her to work at McDonald's. Ultimately, I hope people step back and avoid judgment. This is her life.#belledejour
A lot of the assumptions in the comments to this entry really piss me off. For one, why all the "slut shaming" particularly from the female commentators.
For another, the assumption that she was engaged in all sorts of drug shit, unprotected sex and kinky shit. Which doesn't happen with most high end escorts. This woman has also documented her life as an escort and said that stuff didn't happen.
Next, the idea that she was exploited. She had a job that paid well. Sometimes she enjoyed that job. Sometimes less so. Just like everyone who has a job that doesn't involve sex. There are good days and bad days.
Then, this idea that it's mostly college girls who get into escorting to pay for tuition/rent/books and other things.
Lots and lots and lots of dudes become rent boys for similar reasons - often when dad stops paying for tuition when their son comes out. Rent boys just aren't as visible to the straight community as escorts.
As to the question of if she liked it why didn't she do it for free - um I like writing blog posts but if someone wants me to write for their blog I'm going to charge them for it. I love writing porn, but when I get a porn job I charge people for it.
Beyond that men who pay for escorts aren't paying for sex. Sex is just a side benefit. What they are paying for is a feeling of temporary intimacy and a break from loneliness without social and moral obligations.
As one of my clients once said to me "My clients don't pay me for sex. They pay me to go away." #belledejour
@drunkexpatwriter: I'm disturbed by the backlash from other women as well. It shows the devolved underbelly of our gender that still lives in the 1950s and refuses to see the obvious parallels between marriage and hooking. #belledejour
I've been writing ad copy for male and female sex workers for years and the main thing I've learned is this:
IT'S JUST THEIR JOB.
It has nothing to do with whether they are a good person or not. It doesn't mean they were abused. It doesn't make them automatically victims and it doesn't mean any of them are stupid.
In fact, the high end sex workers are often really smart, charming people with a lot of ethics.
I talked about this with College Call Girl last year.
@drunkexpatwriter: As women we really need to get over the whole judging other women's sex lives, because it smacks of the same sort of judgmental BS that is directed at the gay community. If you aren't waking up next to them, it's none of your business. Taking a stance that judges them in every other aspect of their lives based on what you "think" you know about their sex lives just makes you a blithering jackass of the schoolyard variety. #belledejour
She and I used to talk on email all the time and then she just disappeared!
I get so few chances outside my job to talk to other people who work in the sex industry that I miss being able to relate to her about the frustrations and stuff that are industry unique. #belledejour
@PaisleyPajamas: Yeah. It's interesting how women are much more judgmental about women's sex lives then men are about women's sex lives.
Most of my friends are female - and they often tell me about their conquests, infidelities and naughtiness, but make me swear that I won't tell other girls about it.
Since most of them are happy with their choices, I'm happy for them but it sucks that they can't/don't feel comfortable talking about it with another girl. #belledejour
@drunkexpatwriter: I've said this before, but I must reiterate here that I would eagerly read any prose writing you were to do on this subject. #belledejour
@drunkexpatwriter: What's beyond creepy is how a woman's intelligence, self-assurance and reliability seem to figure in to how much sex she is or isn't having. It happens to men on occasion, but more consistently with women.
Not all sex workers were abused little girls/boys, which is the misnomer that the naysayers need to GTFO. You can't pigeon-hole people via second-hand knowledge about their sex lives in any reliable way. People are too diverse and hearsay is worthless when it comes to sex.
Truth is this: Most sex is on a barter system if those who are judging would just stop and think about it. #belledejour
@skahammer: Unfortunately I only write for money and nobody has offered to pay me money to write prose about it.
Of course if there are any literary agents who are reading this who think a book about a drunk American guy living illegally in the South of France writing escort ads, gay porn and being paid to pretend he's a bottom on gay discussion groups/chat rooms while in an open relationship with plus sized female travel writer who used to be a child star would make a good read, I am more than available! #belledejour
Sex is marketing. It's about putting on a nice outfit/new hair cut/pec implants etc... to sell yourself to attractive members of the gender of your choice.
Then that person does the same thing to try to sell themselves to you and like any good business negotiation the goal is for both parties to feel like they got the better part of the deal.
And to pretend that money, real estate, level of education and other quantifiable material things don't play into that negotiation is to be stuck at the Walt Disney level or romance. #belledejour
The research scientists at universities who take money from large, evil multinationals are bigger, skankier whores. But they will kiss on the mouth. #belledejour
I'm completely fascinated by first-person accounts of women from this academic/professional milieu who choose sex work.
I've often wondered why I find their stories so captivating. My current theory is that when you choose sex work in this milieu, you're separating yourself from your female peers not because (or not just because) you're doing it for money -- but because you're forced to confront the realities of (male) desire and your specific place as an object in its hierarchy...which is something your female peers rarely seem to grapple with.
Put simply, when you turn to this work, you can retain no illusions about exactly how much sexual power you have over men. You have to find out. I suspect many women are able to go through their entire lives without ever posing this question to themselves, and thus they can maintain a kind of winking-nodding-flirting acquaintance with male desire. While a woman who takes this further step probably comes to understand a lot of things about men that her peers will never know.
Perhaps this is part of what's going on when men fall in love with sex workers. That hasn't happened to me, at least not yet...but sometimes I think I can understand why it happens to some guys.
@skahammer: I object to the idea that sex work teaches you anything about "men." It teaches you something about a specific subset of men in a specific situation. #belledejour
@skahammer: A lot of us don't really give a shit how much sexual power we have over men... who cares? I'm reading this as an extremely gendered view of sex, too. I don't think men and women are so completely different sexually that it takes prostitution to figure out what makes men tick. Ooo, so mysterious... hardly. More like, terrified to be vulnerable, just like most people on the planet? Once you figure that out, the rest falls into place.
(reading this over it's kind of aggressive, which is not meant personally) #belledejour
@south2nd: An interesting question I've wondered about as well.
I meet many, many women who seem convinced that they have no power in their lives over men. They equate male desire solely with their role as "object." Thus they tend to avoid or denigrate all expressions of male desire, or even male social power in general. This is despite the fact that these women actually possess a lot of social/sexual power, which they could choose to exercise if they wished.
So I guess all I'm proposing here is that women who have an understanding of the power they have over men -- however they've gained that understanding -- tend to have rare and fascinating observations to offer. #belledejour
@Kakapo: I have no objection to your parsing of the word "men."
Could I take your parsing as an admission that these women's stories have some quality which is intrinsically interesting, for reasons that might be complex and challenging to describe?
@camera_obscura: More like, terrified to be vulnerable, just like most people on the planet? Once you figure that out, the rest falls into place.
My view of sexuality -- both men's and women's -- is that it is much, much, much more complex than you describe. Although I don't doubt that your own personal experience might nevertheless support your view here. #belledejour
@skahammer: Yes, there is a lot more complexity, but my point was more that once you realize everyone else is as scared as you, it's pretty easy to figure out the other things your partner wants/feels/thinks, no prostitutin' required. #belledejour
The interview is a good read and she's obviously very smart, not only due to her degrees, but also because she's fast on her feet. Though somehow, you would've known she had once lived in Florida.
Magnanti says she has no regrets about the 14 months she spent as a prostitute. "I've felt worse about my writing than I ever have about sex for money," she said.
@PaisleyPajamas: Yeah, I really get more offended by how much whoring gets whored than whoring itself.
I wonder if more experienced prostitutes have some sort of derogatory term for the upper middle class white girls who take up the profession as part of a documentary film project or to build street cred among hipsters. There must be a lot of them. #belledejour
@Varnsen: I have a friend who did the same thing. Upper middle class white girl, she turned tricks for a while and wrote a book or two about it. It drives my wife (who does a lot of work with prostitutes lower down the food chain) nuts.
There's a word for it, though, which is "tourist."
What the hell is so unethical about being a prostitute? Why should she be ashamed of performing that service when agents and publicists are allowed to mingle in polite society with nary a raised eyebrow? #belledejour
@MissNormaDesmond: I don’t think it’s the unethical part as much as she’s a scientist and this is the best her profession would allow her to do to support herself. That’s the sad tragedy here.
You never hear about male scientists becoming rent boys. Unless there’s some saucy secret Stephen Hawking is hiding from the world! #belledejour
@SpyMagician: I was just going to ask this question! Do male students have to pay less? Or do they naturally have more funds available? Because it seems that women are always whoring their way through school but men aren't.
@SpyMagician: Well, if I'm not mistaken, the comment bemoaning the degradation of "our culture and sense of ethics and self worth" seems to imply that getting money by "having sex with strangers" is a very bad thing. Whereas my feeling is that, as sleazy professions go, it's nowhere near as bad as used car salesmen or CEOs of companies that develop social networking games, for example.
@pollyannacowgirl: As someone who is paid to write ads for rent boys I can tell you there are a shitload of male undergrad, graduate and post graduate students whoring.
They just aren't selling themselves to women. #belledejour
@MissNormaDesmond: Or a lobbyist for big pharma, or a member of Congress...
It isn't really about ethics, it is about morals.
In cases where the woman enjoys her chosen profession, I can't see what's wrong with it. Adults should free reign over their own bodies. My only objection is the number of young women kidnapped/ jumped into it who are not "escorts" but put straight out onto the street by fucked up pimps. That's messed up.
@pony_express: Absolutely. Rape is always bad. But all prostitution isn't rape, just as all factory work doesn't have to be small children chained to looms. Obviously there are all kinds of complicated social, cultural, and political issues involved in any serious discussion of these things, but I'd argue that one highly exacerbating factor is the kind of stupid prudery that finds any kind of sex work shameful per se. #belledejour
She doesn't even look writer-hot from that picture. My experience of hookers is limited to crack hoes and Ashley Dupree, and she appears to fall closer to the toothless side of the scale. Is it just that British women aren't really that attractive anyway, or a bad picture? (Yes, I am shallow. So is prostitution.)#belledejour
@Magister: she's resonably pretty, but unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I can see the imprint of her 'normal' bra on her back. That's just....weird. #belledejour
They reported in the earlier book how neither Ghoulyanni nor his boy Kerik saved Manhattan from crime forever; it was all due to the simple expedient of abortions available to black mothers. (They euphemized as "single mothers living up beyond 120th St.")
The logic is, if you don't birth criminals, they won't be out on the street causing trouble.
I never saw any comments on the proposition so I guess everybody agrees. #freakonomics
@apod78: That would be the big ol' stick with which to whack most of the book's arguments. My only defense of the authors is that I actually do think they understand this and are just being playful. But it's easy for the general audience to misread. #freakonomics
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For another, the assumption that she was engaged in all sorts of drug shit, unprotected sex and kinky shit. Which doesn't happen with most high end escorts. This woman has also documented her life as an escort and said that stuff didn't happen.
Next, the idea that she was exploited. She had a job that paid well. Sometimes she enjoyed that job. Sometimes less so. Just like everyone who has a job that doesn't involve sex. There are good days and bad days.
Then, this idea that it's mostly college girls who get into escorting to pay for tuition/rent/books and other things.
Lots and lots and lots of dudes become rent boys for similar reasons - often when dad stops paying for tuition when their son comes out. Rent boys just aren't as visible to the straight community as escorts.
As to the question of if she liked it why didn't she do it for free - um I like writing blog posts but if someone wants me to write for their blog I'm going to charge them for it. I love writing porn, but when I get a porn job I charge people for it.
Beyond that men who pay for escorts aren't paying for sex. Sex is just a side benefit. What they are paying for is a feeling of temporary intimacy and a break from loneliness without social and moral obligations.
As one of my clients once said to me "My clients don't pay me for sex. They pay me to go away." #belledejour
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I've been writing ad copy for male and female sex workers for years and the main thing I've learned is this:
IT'S JUST THEIR JOB.
It has nothing to do with whether they are a good person or not. It doesn't mean they were abused. It doesn't make them automatically victims and it doesn't mean any of them are stupid.
In fact, the high end sex workers are often really smart, charming people with a lot of ethics.
I talked about this with College Call Girl last year.
[collegecallgirl.blogspot.com] #belledejour
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She and I used to talk on email all the time and then she just disappeared!
I get so few chances outside my job to talk to other people who work in the sex industry that I miss being able to relate to her about the frustrations and stuff that are industry unique. #belledejour
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Most of my friends are female - and they often tell me about their conquests, infidelities and naughtiness, but make me swear that I won't tell other girls about it.
Since most of them are happy with their choices, I'm happy for them but it sucks that they can't/don't feel comfortable talking about it with another girl. #belledejour
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Not all sex workers were abused little girls/boys, which is the misnomer that the naysayers need to GTFO. You can't pigeon-hole people via second-hand knowledge about their sex lives in any reliable way. People are too diverse and hearsay is worthless when it comes to sex.
Truth is this: Most sex is on a barter system if those who are judging would just stop and think about it. #belledejour
11/16/09
Of course if there are any literary agents who are reading this who think a book about a drunk American guy living illegally in the South of France writing escort ads, gay porn and being paid to pretend he's a bottom on gay discussion groups/chat rooms while in an open relationship with plus sized female travel writer who used to be a child star would make a good read, I am more than available! #belledejour
11/16/09
Sex is marketing. It's about putting on a nice outfit/new hair cut/pec implants etc... to sell yourself to attractive members of the gender of your choice.
Then that person does the same thing to try to sell themselves to you and like any good business negotiation the goal is for both parties to feel like they got the better part of the deal.
And to pretend that money, real estate, level of education and other quantifiable material things don't play into that negotiation is to be stuck at the Walt Disney level or romance. #belledejour
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I've often wondered why I find their stories so captivating. My current theory is that when you choose sex work in this milieu, you're separating yourself from your female peers not because (or not just because) you're doing it for money -- but because you're forced to confront the realities of (male) desire and your specific place as an object in its hierarchy...which is something your female peers rarely seem to grapple with.
Put simply, when you turn to this work, you can retain no illusions about exactly how much sexual power you have over men. You have to find out. I suspect many women are able to go through their entire lives without ever posing this question to themselves, and thus they can maintain a kind of winking-nodding-flirting acquaintance with male desire. While a woman who takes this further step probably comes to understand a lot of things about men that her peers will never know.
Perhaps this is part of what's going on when men fall in love with sex workers. That hasn't happened to me, at least not yet...but sometimes I think I can understand why it happens to some guys.
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(reading this over it's kind of aggressive, which is not meant personally) #belledejour
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I meet many, many women who seem convinced that they have no power in their lives over men. They equate male desire solely with their role as "object." Thus they tend to avoid or denigrate all expressions of male desire, or even male social power in general. This is despite the fact that these women actually possess a lot of social/sexual power, which they could choose to exercise if they wished.
So I guess all I'm proposing here is that women who have an understanding of the power they have over men -- however they've gained that understanding -- tend to have rare and fascinating observations to offer. #belledejour
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Could I take your parsing as an admission that these women's stories have some quality which is intrinsically interesting, for reasons that might be complex and challenging to describe?
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My view of sexuality -- both men's and women's -- is that it is much, much, much more complex than you describe. Although I don't doubt that your own personal experience might nevertheless support your view here. #belledejour
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No more so than I am. I could never watch Top Chef again. #belledejour
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I adore her already. #belledejour
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I wonder if more experienced prostitutes have some sort of derogatory term for the upper middle class white girls who take up the profession as part of a documentary film project or to build street cred among hipsters. There must be a lot of them. #belledejour
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There's a word for it, though, which is "tourist."
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@gawker008: "Tourist" indeed. That works. What does your wife do? #belledejour
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You never hear about male scientists becoming rent boys. Unless there’s some saucy secret Stephen Hawking is hiding from the world! #belledejour
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Or ARE they?.... #belledejour
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@pollyannacowgirl: Are you really asking whether men tend to have more money than women? #belledejour
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They just aren't selling themselves to women. #belledejour
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I would guess I write ads for about 70 to 100 male college students a year who are rent boys.
Some of them just want "easy" money and some of them do it because dad stopped paying for school when they came out of the closet. #belledejour
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It isn't really about ethics, it is about morals.
In cases where the woman enjoys her chosen profession, I can't see what's wrong with it. Adults should free reign over their own bodies. My only objection is the number of young women kidnapped/ jumped into it who are not "escorts" but put straight out onto the street by fucked up pimps. That's messed up.
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Though either way, I think she looks pretty good.
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The logic is, if you don't birth criminals, they won't be out on the street causing trouble.
I never saw any comments on the proposition so I guess everybody agrees. #freakonomics
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