Didn't know much about Mayer til I read yesterday's post, and the SFMag article. Can't understand why people think her "uninteresting"- she fascinated me. Perhaps it was the retro styling and girly talk of cupcakes, but she made me think of Betty Draper except with frightening intelligence, acumen and a few hundred million she earned by age 30 or before. A girl who lives in a penthouse at the Four Seasons because it's convenient to SFMOMA and shopping is definitely interesting. Her lifestyle seems over the top, but she's living her dream, a life she created for herself, and I admire that. God bless America.
(I realize her management style and access etc. are an issue with people. But denying she isn't a formidable and unique person with the future wide open, is unconvincing. )
@Baroness: Time will show. As a teenager I was a guest at some very festive new-money weddings and have this observation: if the guest list and entertainment is mostly for friends of newlyweds (and not their family) then later on they are apt to suffer (or even die) from alcoholism.
@Spy from the Land of Rainpeople: As opposed to old money, where alcoholism is practically the norm? Believe me, new money are amateurs that way. Maybe the wedding was flashy, but she gave a hundreds of people work, and I imagine The Killers could use the dough lately.
I didn't mean to be curt with what you said before. But I don't think her living large is out of touch with reality- whose reality? I don't think she's harming anyone, she's hiring and investing in art, artists, dressmakers, designers, cupcake shops.. she's 32, has the world at her feet, smart as hell, attractive, and i see worked her whole life to get there. I thinks she's extraordinary.
There seems to be animosity for her girly tendencies, but I find outfitting entire 747s as personal romper-rooms like Page and Brin have done far more gauche and hideously wasteful than her (first!) wedding.
@Baroness: Hey, I didn't think your short "no" was curt. You had (and have) a point.
Maybe there should be two different words for alcoholism: (a) the old- money style where one dies of liver failure after throwing another big holiday party and (b) the new-money style where one chokes on ones own vomit after drinking of a whole bottle of vodka alone.
Look, I don't have a horse in this race. But of the two snark-worthy life choices I see the Brin/Page's way as a safer long-term choice. They do prop-up their family members something fierce.
I re-read your original post again ("convenient to SFMOMA and shopping") and now I think she's living your dream life.
Ha! You may have a point, but I'd never live in that part of town, SF has so many more beautiful places to live. Which makes me see your pint more- there is something very nouveau riche and gauche about choosing to live there. I'd bet she saw Pretty Woman too many times as a kid, but wants to be Gere in that film as well.
I have no idea what you mean about "Brin/Page's way as a safer long-term choice", in the least. They are worth $20 billion, and outfit jumbo 747s as geek paradises, damn the waste and carbon cost so they can transport their asses wherever yet still play Xbox in their jammies. perhaps that's your dream. I don't hear much scorn for that as I hear for this chick's being attractive and liking nice things. And are you saying Mayer somehow doesn't show largesse towards her family, compared to Brin and Page? That she's somehow deficient in that area?
@Baroness: Yeah, I need to learn to write clearly.
When Gawker/Valleywag snarks at Brin/Page they do it primarily by pointing out the questionable financial dealing that they do to prop-up their respective family businesses.
When Gawker/Valleywag snarks at Mayer they do it primarily by laughing at her choice of friends and how to entertain them.
I really think that this is the big distinction: extended family is always better than fair-weather friends in keeping somebody grounded in reality.
I really don't begrudge either side their choice of toys or places to live. It really doesn't matter to me. Being close to a museum? Why would anyone care? Any serious museum patron could get a private showing. On the other hand, if the important thing is to be seen in museum, that is the problem.
Shopping? Anyone with any money to speak of will be found by the sellers.
I don't really know SF, but I used to live in a big city in Europe and remember seing some spectacular flameouts. I've been invited to weddings that had two separate receptions: one for family from the old country and one for friends from the new country, so I'm no stranger to social and cultural pressures.
To summarize: I'm really waiting to read something about Marissa's family and how she's dealing with her old folks. If I don't read anything about that, I'm going to think that she's sliding into some dark place in her psyche.
In other words: she needs somebody to thell her: memento mori. Normally that would be her relatives. If not family, then she needs to hire somebody to say that to her in the fashion of ancient roman generals.
@Baroness: Better example of memento mori. In Europe there's a custom that newlyweeds (after collecting all the flowers from the guests) go somewhere just for few seconds and lay even just a couple of flowers on any memorial of their choice.
Have you've heard of anything like this in S.F. in general or in this wedding in particular?
@Baroness: I'm with you Baroness!! I admire the woman very much and wish her the best on her marriage. I don't understand the snark, except that it might be jealousy of a very young woman earning millions. There is nothing wrong with a woman having the wedding of her dreams, especially when she can afford it. I can't wait to see photos of it.
Going a bit tangential, perhaps? I like Ryan here, I don't mind the coverage, I'm not objecting to it, it's fascinating really. And amusing, I'm glad it's covered, I do see the point.
From the SF Mag article, Mayer seems quite close to her parents- they're quoted at the party, they seem quite middle-class with an academic bent, amazed at her immense success but probably the nurturers of it too. I'm sure she takes good care of them. I don't see her as ungrounded- heirs an heiresses often are, but this girl really made her fortune herself.
Are we still talking about the wedding? I was talking more of her lifestyle, not just a weekend. Look, she earned the right to do what she damn well peases, is my take. Sincerely, this girl really is something.
@mslewis: Right? If I had earned the life she's made for herself with her own smarts, work, timing and luck, I'd be doing what I wished as well. Very rich men do it all the fucking time. No one sees it as an issue.
@Baroness: Thanks for engaging discussion. I think we can both agree that Marissa is somebody to watch and she can stimulate interesting discussions. Slightly over a year ago I was defending Marissa agains some other women readers of Valleywag:
Enough. This woman was not very interesting to begin with. Reading daily updates about her wedding drives me to drink.
Can someone explain the point of this obsessive coverage? She's a woman, and that is somehow remarkable? Oh wait, she works for Google! Why yes, that means that completely boring things are suddenly fascinating. THANKS!
@intime: It's also heavily contaminated landfill and would likely liquidate during a major earthquake. Welcome to Anthrax Island, now hosting weddings!
What the eff is your trip about relentlessly snarking on Marissa Mayer? "Cyborg polar fairy"?! "Hugely extravagant nuptials" that featured a band who was washed-up by 2007? Really?
Also: "Mayer," not "Mayers"
"Stuart Weitzman" not "Stuart Wietzman"
"Brioni," not "Broni"
@snugbug: Seriously. Mayer seems vaguely irritating in a generic corporate primadonna sort of way, but she hardly merits or deserves the attention and snark that Gawker devotes to her. The posts on her are neither interesting nor entertaining, nor do her escapades smack of excess douchbaggery. Surely there's someone more annoying in Silicon Valley to pick on.
@Ima_letchu_finish: Oh yeah. Totally legit snark points! Like she could ever do anything about the architecture of her face or the pitch of her laugh.. Also: she's not a fucking moddle. I don't care if Vogue or Elle featured her in fashion pictorials, she's a professional woman. She doesn't get paid to look pretty--she gets paid for thinking.
@Penscribe: Why? They're condos in downtown SF. She doesn't live in the hotel, there are apartments in the building. It makes perfect sense, she's rich, and she probably works about 80 hours a week. The fact that the writer fails to mention that fact, and implies that she's a little Eloise, living in the Plaza, kind of lends credence to the criticism.
She's originally from Wisconsin, so I'm guessing her dad got drunk on Point beer, and took a swing at the groom's father right before the Dollar Dance. But they all made up the next day, during the gift opening held in his parents' garage. Oh, it was real nice.
F you people with the three day weddings. Jesus. It's bad enough to have to give up a whole Saturday to dress up and go to some far-away place and pay $200 for one place-setting of fugly china for a gift. If I have to take time off work for one more 3-day weekend wedding I'm going to lose it. People are unbelievably self-centered with this shit. We had a nice, quiet short garden wedding in our town with no registry. Done.
@GooberSaysHey: No kidding. I got married at the county courthouse for $25 . . . 20 years ago. I think people forget marriage is about a lifetime, not just 1-5 days.
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1. Getting your wedding photos into Vogue.
2. Keeping your wedding photos (mostly) out of Gawker.
Oh, and getting married.
Mazel Tov!
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(I realize her management style and access etc. are an issue with people. But denying she isn't a formidable and unique person with the future wide open, is unconvincing. )
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I didn't mean to be curt with what you said before. But I don't think her living large is out of touch with reality- whose reality? I don't think she's harming anyone, she's hiring and investing in art, artists, dressmakers, designers, cupcake shops.. she's 32, has the world at her feet, smart as hell, attractive, and i see worked her whole life to get there. I thinks she's extraordinary.
There seems to be animosity for her girly tendencies, but I find outfitting entire 747s as personal romper-rooms like Page and Brin have done far more gauche and hideously wasteful than her (first!) wedding.
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Maybe there should be two different words for alcoholism: (a) the old- money style where one dies of liver failure after throwing another big holiday party and (b) the new-money style where one chokes on ones own vomit after drinking of a whole bottle of vodka alone.
Look, I don't have a horse in this race. But of the two snark-worthy life choices I see the Brin/Page's way as a safer long-term choice. They do prop-up their family members something fierce.
I re-read your original post again ("convenient to SFMOMA and shopping") and now I think she's living your dream life.
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Ha! You may have a point, but I'd never live in that part of town, SF has so many more beautiful places to live. Which makes me see your pint more- there is something very nouveau riche and gauche about choosing to live there. I'd bet she saw Pretty Woman too many times as a kid, but wants to be Gere in that film as well.
I have no idea what you mean about "Brin/Page's way as a safer long-term choice", in the least. They are worth $20 billion, and outfit jumbo 747s as geek paradises, damn the waste and carbon cost so they can transport their asses wherever yet still play Xbox in their jammies. perhaps that's your dream. I don't hear much scorn for that as I hear for this chick's being attractive and liking nice things. And are you saying Mayer somehow doesn't show largesse towards her family, compared to Brin and Page? That she's somehow deficient in that area?
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When Gawker/Valleywag snarks at Brin/Page they do it primarily by pointing out the questionable financial dealing that they do to prop-up their respective family businesses.
When Gawker/Valleywag snarks at Mayer they do it primarily by laughing at her choice of friends and how to entertain them.
I really think that this is the big distinction: extended family is always better than fair-weather friends in keeping somebody grounded in reality.
I really don't begrudge either side their choice of toys or places to live. It really doesn't matter to me. Being close to a museum? Why would anyone care? Any serious museum patron could get a private showing. On the other hand, if the important thing is to be seen in museum, that is the problem.
Shopping? Anyone with any money to speak of will be found by the sellers.
I don't really know SF, but I used to live in a big city in Europe and remember seing some spectacular flameouts. I've been invited to weddings that had two separate receptions: one for family from the old country and one for friends from the new country, so I'm no stranger to social and cultural pressures.
To summarize: I'm really waiting to read something about Marissa's family and how she's dealing with her old folks. If I don't read anything about that, I'm going to think that she's sliding into some dark place in her psyche.
In other words: she needs somebody to thell her: memento mori. Normally that would be her relatives. If not family, then she needs to hire somebody to say that to her in the fashion of ancient roman generals.
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Have you've heard of anything like this in S.F. in general or in this wedding in particular?
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Going a bit tangential, perhaps? I like Ryan here, I don't mind the coverage, I'm not objecting to it, it's fascinating really. And amusing, I'm glad it's covered, I do see the point.
From the SF Mag article, Mayer seems quite close to her parents- they're quoted at the party, they seem quite middle-class with an academic bent, amazed at her immense success but probably the nurturers of it too. I'm sure she takes good care of them. I don't see her as ungrounded- heirs an heiresses often are, but this girl really made her fortune herself.
Are we still talking about the wedding? I was talking more of her lifestyle, not just a weekend. Look, she earned the right to do what she damn well peases, is my take. Sincerely, this girl really is something.
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Can someone explain the point of this obsessive coverage? She's a woman, and that is somehow remarkable? Oh wait, she works for Google! Why yes, that means that completely boring things are suddenly fascinating. THANKS!
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Also: "Mayer," not "Mayers"
"Stuart Weitzman" not "Stuart Wietzman"
"Brioni," not "Broni"
Blergh.
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Calling you a blowhard would be taking it easy.
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Ha - and black pants by Express.
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My cousin had one recently. They've separated twice since, and I don't give them more than another 6 months.
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