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God and Satan Square Off As Episcopal Church Blesses Gay Unions
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07/19/09
This thing looks like that thing?...
07/19/09
Like so many people these posts just seem rote. Like you're just going after churches because they're an easy target, because you're expected to do it. There's no real thought behind this snark at all, and no aiming at a truth. Two posts where churches do good things, and two posts in which you just shrug it off and say "oh but they're evil still".
You might as well make a career going after Vin Diesel for poor acting in movies. It takes just about as much thought.
07/19/09
The other, the guy they report to, I suppose, is the Archbishop of Nigeria, where the churches have services for first wives and services for 2nd, 3rd and 4th wives. The idea is that this pillar of moral rectitude is going to save us evil, buggery-tolerating heathen in North America.
But what makes this hierarchy so laughable is the disgusting gulf between the rich and the poor that makes his own country, Nigeria, a cesspool of ignorance, crime and filth. I'd like to believe that this guy lives among and as one of the poor (as, you know, Jesus advised), but I'm sure he lives in a palace, just like every other rich jackass in Lagos.
Of the handful of Episcopal churches that have joined this ludicrous attempt to blackmail the Anglican Communion Worldwide (they're going to take their poors with them), is the entire diocese of Pittsburgh, PA, as well as Truro Church in suburban Virginia, home church of Ollie North and Clarence Thomas, among other scum.
07/19/09
There is no world-wide or international Episcopal Church. It is a national church within the territory of the United States -- thought there are some international dioceses in other contries that are largely the result of missionary efforts in a previous century.
There IS the world-wide Anglican Communion, of which the U.S. Episcopal Church is a part. The Communion is made up of national churches all over the world who have some historicial, missionary roots with the Church of England. These Churches are said to be in "communion" with the Archbishop of Canterbury. While he is the titular head of the Communion, he is not an Anglican pope and has no jurisdictional authority over the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion, the Episcopal Church USA.
The Communion got its start when the U.S. acheived independence and the church here could no longer recognize the King of England as head of the church. A separate church was formed that expressed "bonds of affection" with the mother Church.
The United Church of Canida is not a member of the Anglican Communion. That role is filled by the Anglican Church of Canada, which has also been the bane of conservative/literalists in the Anglican Communion because of its support of gender-neutral marriage, which is the law of the land in Canada.
Lutherans are of two stripes, conservative (Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod -- which does not ordain women) and more liberal (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -- which does ordain women). The ELCA will ordain gay candidates, but they must promise celebacy.
07/18/09
The Episcopal Church I went to when I lived in Iowa advertised in the gay newspaper.
07/18/09
But don't get it twisted: the American Episcopal Church as a whole is far from united on this issue. There's a diocese in California that's breaking off and joining with Mexico to keep the practicing geighs out. Because that's what Jesus would want, I guess. Love and tolerance ends when two pee-pees meet. That is not what, "I come with a sword," means, people!
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Time to live it up, I guess?
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Also, I have to say I disagree with you about whether Prop. 8 will be overturned on a legal basis -- it's fully legal, it's just that California's state constitution was broken long before this, as is any state constitution that can be amended by a simple majority. California's ballot initiative system is insane. I know, I live here.
07/20/09
Also, I believe that, in some convoluted way, Prop 8 really is "legal." But the question is, is it constitutional? I can't see how it doesn't create a conflict that necessarily must be resolved in order for the rights of homosexuals in California to be protected. Either they have to do away with the sexual orientation provision on equal rights or they have to do away with Prop 8.
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I'm on a 12 step program for Roman Catholicism (I admit that I have a problem, but I seem to keep relapsing). I've been toying with the the idea of moving to a liberal form of Lutheranism or Episcopalianism for years, because the worship styles are so similar, but their social views are so much more to my taste. I'm just so culturally Catholic that I can't bring myself to make the jump just yet.
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