@raincoaster: A bodega is a poor person's convenience store. It features ripped up linoleum and products in dusty cans, all of which are overpriced. There is usually a cat, a working cat.
How do I know this? There were several within walking distance of my grandparents' apartment.
Yes, um, the only people who should park their novel writing, You Tube fascinated, IM chatting, Facebook updating arse in a coffee shop all. freaking. day. are old people. Remember old people? You know those members of society who don't work anymore so they have to find creative ways to spend their days. And that might consist of thumping melons at the green grocer, arguing over bank statement passbook theft at the PNC, getting gratuitous bags of bread heels at the bakery for the pigeons/ducks/squirrels, after erratically dinging your car in the parking lot, and yes, sitting for three hours "shootin the shit" with "Larry, 25th infantry division" at the coffee shop over soft scrambled eggs , warm toast, Sanka, and half a grapefruit?
Yeah, they may snore softly, and make a fuss if you sit in "their seat" after they come out the john with a magazine, but you'll never hear excessive typing, an over-loud iPod, or a cell phone conversation about Brigadoon and Briar Patch's "epic break up" in Union Square park yesterday.
And I'd still get a seat at Cosi's so I can eat my yuppie Tandori chicken during the twelve minutes I have for lunch.
How could anyone possibly have a problem with bodegas? They don't like the fact that you can buy about two million other things with that cup of cafe con leche?
@Schadenfrau: Off my subway stop there are four bodegas (well, one is a green grocer) on each corner of the intersection. Then there's the bodega two storefronts down from another bodega. Not even Starbucks or Duane Reede's that bad.
Coffee shops have bright lighting, leatherette booths, and serve hamburgers, grilled cheese, and breakfast all day. They should be warmly welcomed. Neither of these sounds like a coffee shop.
At first I thought this was about good old NY coffee shops, referred to as diners elsewhere in the country. Then I realized it wasn't and lost interest.
That's what we need more of, though: good old fashioned coffee shops.
@Seeräuber Jenny: Well the real Christine's has been gone for years. They changed hands late 90s or thereabouts, the current lot probably can't even make whiskey down.
Kiev was 24/7 and the ubiquitous Challah was a good change up, but yeah, the real Christines was The coffee shop bitd.
I was going to suggest that Michael Idov read this article that I vaguely remembered on how difficult it is to run a profitable, high-quality coffee shop, but wait, recycled grounds?
Actually, I thought the earlier article was interesting and shared it with some friends whose bookstore-cum-coffee shop in a non-snobby part of Brooklyn (a neighborhood that really could have used such an establishment) had just failed.
Lots of public libraries have free wi-fi these days. Why don't some of those people clogging up the coffee shop head into the library to work? Because I get seriously annoyed with the business meetings at the coffee shop. You can arrange to use a conference room at the library for free to have your business meeting. And there are even libraries with cafes these days.
@Rozelle’s Bagman: I thought I should start at what is obviously the nexus of all coffee shop workers... Gawker. So to all of you freelancers clogging up my fancy pants coffee shop with your single cup of coffee and secreted pb and j sandwiches... get the fuck out! My screaming children and I need your table so that we can throw zwieback all over the place whilst I sip *my* single cup of coffee for two hours. And I need another one of your tables so that I can have a place to park my stroller. Whew. I feel so much better now that I got that off my chest.
i hate the fucking goddamn loud typers at the coffeeshop (or class, or the library, or the airport, etc...) IS THERE NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO STOP THOSE BASTARDS?!?!
*i am actually at a coffeeshop trying to give the stink-eye to a loud typer right now, i hope they read this post and my comment.
@Botswana Meat Commission FC: that's the worst part, motherfucker is on a macbook!!!! can you imagine how much force he must be exerting on the damn keyboard for me to hear it?!?! like a fucking caveman or something...
@blix: people still drink frappaccino's? don't they know how many calories are in those things?!?! you should just walk over and knock it out of their hands!
In my still-gentrifying slice of the LES, the "olds" go to our local fancy shmancy coffee shop and sit around all day over one small cup of joe (for the table, not for each person). About 67% of the conversation is about "those goddamn yuppies ruining our neighborhood". The other 33% of the conversation is shit that happened fifty years ago. That place is just a cesspool of irony.
@Seeräuber Jenny: When I visited Chicago, oh, about two years ago, my friend took me to Julius Meinl, an Austrian firm which roasts a damned good bean. The prices were completely reasonable. What's more, the cakes and pastries were completely authentic, a Herculean task to achieve in Chicago. I wonder whether the quality standards are still so high there.
@Seeräuber Jenny: Sabarsky is way too -- oh, I don't know -- tarted up to qualify as a good coffee house. It attracts too good of a crowd, but one not good enough to make it interesting. I want my coffee houses to be dilapidated with hoses lying around in the bathroom, for example, and with only cold water taps.
Look, I'm not an elitist or a classist by any stretch of the imagination but can you honestly say that something as blue-collar as a garage for garbage trucks - GARBAGE TRUCKS! - belongs anywhere near this neighborhood?
I'm sure there are better places for such a garage. Perhaps we could concentrate all of our more industrial facilities in areas of the Bronx. Personally, I think that there would be any number of benefits.
For starters, most of the people who excel at industrial jobs live in the Bronx and would benefit from being closer to their workplace. Think of the savings on their commute time. Plus, given that those people tend to have very large families, the shorter commute time would mean that they could spend less time buying fast food and more time raising their many children.
Also, Manhattan is a place known for historic buildings. This is not so with Staten Island and the Bronx. Those places are historically known for bad architecture and low property values. All the more reason to put our city's waste treatment plants, garages, and rehabilitation centers in those places.
This city depends on (in no small part) property tax revenues. If things like garbage truck garages are allowed to exist in traditionally high-income areas like TriBeCa and Hudson Square, the city's coffers will suffer.
I understand that there are a lot of naysayers out there that bemoan the supposed ills of gentrification. But the truth is that gentrification makes the city a much more vibrant and desirable place to live.
Plus, to those thinking that gentrification somehow harms minorities, consider the job opportunities for Blacks and Latinos in the childcare, food service and preparation, and housekeeping industries that are made possible by luxury condominiums and fine dining establishments. Gentrification helps the city's poor minorities.
If you look back at the city's history, you'll see that this sort of facility simply does not belong in Hudson Square. Please help keep our neighborhoods pure. #trendwatch
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How do I know this? There were several within walking distance of my grandparents' apartment.
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Yes, um, the only people who should park their novel writing, You Tube fascinated, IM chatting, Facebook updating arse in a coffee shop all. freaking. day. are old people. Remember old people? You know those members of society who don't work anymore so they have to find creative ways to spend their days. And that might consist of thumping melons at the green grocer, arguing over bank statement passbook theft at the PNC, getting gratuitous bags of bread heels at the bakery for the pigeons/ducks/squirrels, after erratically dinging your car in the parking lot, and yes, sitting for three hours "shootin the shit" with "Larry, 25th infantry division" at the coffee shop over soft scrambled eggs , warm toast, Sanka, and half a grapefruit?
Yeah, they may snore softly, and make a fuss if you sit in "their seat" after they come out the john with a magazine, but you'll never hear excessive typing, an over-loud iPod, or a cell phone conversation about Brigadoon and Briar Patch's "epic break up" in Union Square park yesterday.
And I'd still get a seat at Cosi's so I can eat my yuppie Tandori chicken during the twelve minutes I have for lunch.
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That's what we need more of, though: good old fashioned coffee shops.
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CHRISTINE'S is gone? Kiev I only had lukewarm feelings about, but Christine's? No more barley soup and pirogis with apple sauce and sour cream?
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Kiev was 24/7 and the ubiquitous Challah was a good change up, but yeah, the real Christines was The coffee shop bitd.
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Actually, I thought the earlier article was interesting and shared it with some friends whose bookstore-cum-coffee shop in a non-snobby part of Brooklyn (a neighborhood that really could have used such an establishment) had just failed.
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*i am actually at a coffeeshop trying to give the stink-eye to a loud typer right now, i hope they read this post and my comment.
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Give them Macs.
Quiet keyboards, those Macs....
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@blix: people still drink frappaccino's? don't they know how many calories are in those things?!?! you should just walk over and knock it out of their hands!
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#tips
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He recommends Café Sabarsky. It's a gorgeous place, but it's extremely expensive, not the kind of place people with little money pop into daily.
Where do these writers come from?
--Oh, Latvia.
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Can you buy cat litter or paper towels anywhere within ten blocks of me? Don't be silly. If you want $32 per pound Gouda, though, we have tons.
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I'm sure there are better places for such a garage. Perhaps we could concentrate all of our more industrial facilities in areas of the Bronx. Personally, I think that there would be any number of benefits.
For starters, most of the people who excel at industrial jobs live in the Bronx and would benefit from being closer to their workplace. Think of the savings on their commute time. Plus, given that those people tend to have very large families, the shorter commute time would mean that they could spend less time buying fast food and more time raising their many children.
Also, Manhattan is a place known for historic buildings. This is not so with Staten Island and the Bronx. Those places are historically known for bad architecture and low property values. All the more reason to put our city's waste treatment plants, garages, and rehabilitation centers in those places.
This city depends on (in no small part) property tax revenues. If things like garbage truck garages are allowed to exist in traditionally high-income areas like TriBeCa and Hudson Square, the city's coffers will suffer.
I understand that there are a lot of naysayers out there that bemoan the supposed ills of gentrification. But the truth is that gentrification makes the city a much more vibrant and desirable place to live.
Plus, to those thinking that gentrification somehow harms minorities, consider the job opportunities for Blacks and Latinos in the childcare, food service and preparation, and housekeeping industries that are made possible by luxury condominiums and fine dining establishments. Gentrification helps the city's poor minorities.
If you look back at the city's history, you'll see that this sort of facility simply does not belong in Hudson Square. Please help keep our neighborhoods pure. #trendwatch
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