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    Image of J-No J-No
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    I have lived this life. I traveled 4-6 nights a week for years. I collected hotel points and airline miles as sport. I have flown places just to fire people. I ask not for your sympathy or your admiration, I ask you to understand that I never slept the night before I fired someone. Not one time. You feel shitty, you feel bad, you know you are taking away the thing that allows them to live their lives. And over time, if you wish to keep your job and your paycheck, you learn to live with it. Not in some smug way, but you realize this is your job, and most times if they had been doing theirs, this wouldn't be happening.
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    Image of markscottmusic markscottmusic
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    You want a sad work story? I got food poisoning from some nasty candy roasted peanuts I bought on like 5th Avenue and 56th one night last week. Then I had meetings at the Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle the next morning. After suffering with stomach problems that began at 4 a.m., I hurled once at the Starbucks across the street from Time Warner and then again in the rest room inside on the floor with the employee cafeteria (that's where we were meeting). Do you know how far those rest rooms are from the cafeteria? Pretty far. Especially when you have to hurl. I'm here to tell you! Thank goodness for Mentos! Now there's a sad work story! I just had to tell someone.
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    Image of BrandX BrandX
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    The novel this movie is based upon skillfully avoids this dilemma by not trying to make the protagonist likable. Sadly, Hollywood can't afford this luxury.

    BTW: Walter Kirn, the author of the novel, is similarly unlikable. I've met him, and I know.
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    Image of Gabriel Snyder Gabriel Snyder
    12/14/09

    @BrandX: Also, it was published in the summer of 2001, a time when the last boom seemed unending.
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    Image of skahammer skahammer
    12/14/09

    @Gabriel Snyder: Why do you say Summer 2001?

    I think you'll find that broad indices like the NASDAQ Composite and the S&P 500 actually peaked in Spring 2000, and by summer 2001 the rout was pretty well on. I certainly don't recall anyone in 2001 saying the short-term outlook was anything but troubling.
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    12/15/09

    @skahammer: I was speaking culturally, rather than financially. The dot-coms had their big sell-off in the spring. But the idea that we were in a recession didn't spread until that fall.
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    Image of God God
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    Kids, it's simple. It's plain old fucking boring to empathize with the poor. They wear ugly clothes, they eat ugly food, they're either too fat or too thin. They don't even listen to This American Life, those assholes. Their hair is always terrible. You can't empathize with ugly dysfunctionals who don't even have a favorite author.

    But empathizing with the non-poors, that's what all your human history is about, innit? If My son Jay-Jay was the Homeless Dude of Peace as opposed to the Prince of Peace, you think yall woulda given a shit? You don't study the history of the poors and obsess over them. You spend time pondering Kings and Presidents. You don't spend a long time feeling bad for the chimp attack lady but you will spend the rest of your life mourning that Jennifer Aniston is wounded, lonely and sad. The poors are the chimp attack lady for the centuries that have gone and the centuries that will come. Now you'll use the grotesquerie of the poors as one heck of a conversation piece (Did you hear? People are so poor and hungry now that they look for undigested food in their own excrement!!!) and shudder deliciously for a minute or so and count your blessings and then it'll be time for Top Chef and that exotic brown lady's breasts. Also every kiss begins with Kay! Now that's news you can use.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    Heh, that reminds me of a conversation I had with my last boyfriend. His parents' business was not doing as well as it had and they'd had to let some employees go. They were very torn up about it because they really liked their employees. I pointed out to my boyfriend that though I was sure his parents felt bad about the situation, it's possible the fired employees felt *even worse* than his parents did and he flat-out denied the possibility.
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    Image of oyboy oyboy
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    I saw the movie and liked it a lot and was moved by it. One of its great accomplishments was presenting deeply sympathetic portraits of not only people who are suffering terrible hardships--getting fired--but also of men and women who are doing the firing. I haven't read the Rich column, but of course it's easy to dismiss any work that seeks to humanize a corporate henchman. But that a Gawker employee, a henchman of that great, unapologetic and cost-cutting capitalist overlord Nick Denton, is citing the Grapes of Wrath and draping himself in the majesty of the working man, though, is, um, kind of rich.
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    Image of Bipolar-Cop Bipolar-Cop
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    I think you missed the point of the movie completely.

    We are not meant to pity Clooney because he thinks his job is hard and he has no life outside of work. Anyone working in the corporate world (well, not anyone but I'd say a good 60% of us) are in it for the money and we check our conscience at the door, telling ourselves we have given up trying to find our dream job and are now just pulling in money, because, well, we need money. He is filling a need and making money and that is the end of that. Throughout most of the movie he is content to operate on that level, while distracting himself with his silly and ultimately useless frequent flier mile goal.

    No, we are meant to pity Clooney because he ultimately comes to realize many sad facts about himself: that he has no life outside of the airport, that what is a mere distraction for other people IS his life, and ultimately that he has wasted years of his life in a fruitless, lonely and empty pursuit. The crash of all this around him is what this movie is about, not just Clooney being Clooney.

    The final shot of him standing in despair in front of a towering airport departures/arrivals board will ring true to anyone who has had to go on a business trip to some horrible meeting with personal issues rumbling loudly just beneath the surface.

    Maybe it is some sort of anti-corporatism that makes you read the movie this way, but the fact is there are a lot of people doing shitty jobs they ultimately hate, only making it through distractions and finding the aspect of the job they like and emphasizing that (Clooney emphasizes his ability to put at least SOME sort of a positive spin on what is often the worst day of someone's life).

    Yeah, he has a distasteful job, and his expressed motives for wanting to stay on the road are BS; he initially does not really care about how the message is delivered to those laid off; he just sees his made up life (and ultimate distraction from the horror of his job) disolving in favor of net meetings. Ironically, when he gets his wish and gets to stay on the road, it is now a nightmare as he realizes how crappy his life and job really are.

    Yeah, he's a hired gun and maybe he shoulda studied harder and been a doctor, but at the end of the day, he's now just another guy with a shitty job he hates.
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    Image of NoelleBlue NoelleBlue
    12/14/09

    @Bipolar-Cop: Good points about the movie, and there is a bit of Reitman bashing in the post, true.

    However, I think Brian's actually focusing his ire at Frank Rich for his reading of the film more than he's focusing on the film itself.

    And I do believe this criticism is still valid in terms of your take - this character's life and job are still crappy, but that is because of what he has made of it, not because he doesn't have a cushy job, money, security and the opportunity to travel.

    The sympathy is about this guy's personal issues, and indeed, that 'my job is secure but god I hate it' issue. (Why, hello! *waves from her desk*)

    But there are too many people who would kill for that security at this moment for him to be a real Hero of the People. So critics and filmmakers trying to broaden this movie character's range of sympathy to people who are fired by people like him rings false, and their take deserves a bit o' contempt.
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    I think you've nailed the sentiment, Brian.

    However, I can't bring myself to see it, as I can't watch Clooney do that thing he does that bores me in. every. single. movie. until. we. all. die. Also, airplane movies end up having waayyy too many metaphors for me. Arrrgh! I get it, lonely, sad, poignant, a depiction of our unfeeling, unthinking, detached nature of the world, until someone stops in the middle of the hustle-bustle and reevaluates his life, or realizes someone's been living in the airport lounge for ten years, or met his wife at the bar, or gave his plane seat to some schmo so he could see his family for Christmas but now he's dead...cue life-affirming moment of clarity for future prosperity. Great. Now find John McClaine or something and drive the thing into a blonde hitman from Austria!

    (Simply. Without shame. I like things that go bang.)
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    Image of bess marvin, girl detective bess marvin, girl detective
    12/14/09

    @Spirit Fingers: (Simply. Without shame. I like things that go bang.)heads up, i may steal this for my screenplay meow bitch 6: cancun
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    Image of Maloon-Rouge Maloon-Rouge
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    Henry Fonda would scold Frank Rich
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    Image of Poodle_Heart Poodle_Heart
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    Migrant white-collar workers, we are, carting laptops from cube farm to cube farm
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    Image of El_Gato El_Gato
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    I thought Frank Rich was way off too. Seems like he just wrote what he wanted the movie to be about, instead of actually going in with an open mind. What I thought was interesting about the movie, too -- and something that's not mentioned in some reviews -- was how Clooney's character was an expert terminator, and then suddenly he realized he was in danger of being terminated himself once the tele-firing system was instituted. But yeah, Frank Rich is nuts.
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/14/09

    @El_Gato: Yes, it seems the critics are following the Oscar voters' lead--just listen to what others are saying about a film rather than actually viewing it yourself and base your bandwagon jumping on the opinions of others in a fashion that eludes to something high brow, like literature, or insidery, like some industry business footnote so that you become a topic of convo for how brillz/idiotic or connected/disconnected you are.

    Power corrupts.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/14/09

    @PaisleyPajamas:

    You see yourself as an intellectual top-feeder, don't you. :P
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/14/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Oh, no. I definitely think for myself and often counter to what the so-called intellectuals throw out there.

    Oh, wait. No question mark. Rhetorical?
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    12/14/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: Yes. Just in that kind of mood today. Don't mind me.
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    I'm excited for this movie for the reasons you disparage it. Those "owner men" are just the tools of distant, powerful forces that shape our national character. The suffering at the low end is intractable, and their moral choices are easy to sympathize with: feeding your family and fighting courageously survive is always just. It's a more taxing effort (in my view) to take an accounting of what the "owner men" do and how they justify it - and the terrible toll it can take on a human being. If you sympathize for a moment with Clooney's character, "Up In The Air" has accomplished more from a pathos perspective than Steinbeck ever did.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    12/14/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: whaaa? How can you say that when we live in a nation that still regularly denigrates the poorest among us as lazy, uneducated and a hundred other derogatory names? Steinbeck took the faceless poor and made them real to people.
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    12/14/09

    @[gawker.com]

    To what end?

    The first question you ask after reading The Grapes of Wrath is "How do we stop this?" The answer is the horrible, grinding corporate human-processing system we've created.

    All those incentives and social stigmas conspire to whip you out of bed in the morning; all that constant fear keeps you contributing to society. Which minimizes suffering, without eliminating it. People like Clooney's character are the natural consequence of a society that has attempted to compartmentalize and limit suffering. The way they keep from killing themselves - while avoiding death at the hands of others - is endlessly fascinating to me.
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    Image of lrubemp lrubemp
    12/14/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: Oh yeah, people are out of work for months, losing homes, families, and worried about feeding and housing themselves, but we're supposed to cry for the grossly paid little enforcers who do the rulers' dirty work because sometimes they feel bad about it. What a long way we have to go before SOCIAL JUSTICE gets any cred in this culture.
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    12/14/09

    @lrubemp:

    Well, no. I think the answer, in the end, is that if you shed one tear for anyone you'll shed billions for us all. Or something? I wish you well on the social justice front.
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    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    12/14/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: All those incentives and social stigmas conspire to whip you out of bed in the morning; all that constant fear keeps you contributing to society.

    Throughout your entire life in poverty, with all of the stigma and the pain of it?

    To what end?
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    12/14/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: The suffering at the low end is intractable, and their moral choices are easy to sympathize with

    Yeah. Anne Frank - borrrring. Can't wait for a movie about the Gestapo officers, who've made those complex choices of theirs!
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    12/14/09

    @Niko Bellic:

    I was a big Holocaust student for a long time - did history in college for a while, but I started young - and wound up being heavily interested in the experience of concentration camp guards. Specifically, how did they live with themselves? How did they come to follow THOSE orders? You wind up reading accounts of them becoming ill, writing journals and letters expressing deep doubts, etc. But always there was that uniform, that conforming sensation of being controlled by an overwhelming, omnipotent force that kept their hands on the gas valves and MP40's.

    I've always been interested in why people do terrible things, and that's why I'm excited for the film's exploration of the concept. The answer seems to be frequent flier miles?
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    Image of BettyCrocker BettyCrocker
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    Well done, Brian.

    The corporate dildo who was responsible for downsizing me and my colleagues was as cold and unfeeling as a canned ham.

    We sent him a plastic dog turd via interoffice mail.
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    12/14/09

    @BettyCrocker: Why plastic? The real thing would have had more impact.
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    Image of BettyCrocker BettyCrocker
    12/14/09

    @xyzpdq: True, but the olfactory warning would have spoiled the surprise.
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    Image of The Real JR The Real JR
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    He's lonely. Sad face.

    This is a brilliant post. From the excerpt to the writing. Well done.
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    Image of Jacques-SweatyTechnique-Paysan Jacques-SweatyTechnique-Paysan
    12/14/09

    In reply to Up in the Air Is The Grapes of Wrath for the Rich and Out of Touch
    Let's stop pretending that film critics aren't the final, and (arguably) least important part of the film industry's marketing apparatus.

    Most modern film criticism could be reduced to the single sentence "This sucked/didn't balls" if this weren't the case.
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    12/14/09

    @JacquesPaysan: Frank Rich isn't a film critic. For what it's worth, most of the criticism I've read calls the movie on its manipulation and shallowness.
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