Taking the train down from Connecticut from a shoot, I actually saw a hobo camp under a bridge. There were those wooden crates and a hobo-fire; it looked like a movie set. I was looking for a polka-dot 'kerchief tied to a stick.
@PontiusPirate: I agree. If my interpretation of your comment is correct: that unions are basically obsolete with the enforcement of reasonable labor/safe-working-conditions legislation.
@EVERYONE: Of course, this certainly doesn't help: [www.pbs.org]
Basically: Both sides share responsibility, or lack thereof.
I'm not a fan of unions because they extort companies to play ball with them. I'd rather that unions be positioned vendors: if they offer good quality product at a fair price and exhibit flexibility, they win the business. If not, their customers (companies) go elsewhere. This way, unions have clout, but not absolutely so. The problem is that the UAW-automaker relationship has been asymmetrical, in that unions could be horrible providers of labor, but the automakers had no ability to switch labor providers.
It's not about the little man versus the big corporation. Unions distort what should be a normal "reward for performance and risk for nonperformance" dynamic that everyone else outside of the union faces on a daily basis. If there is no downside to union workers, what incentive do they have to be productive, create quality work product, etc.? Judging from what I've seen of union shops, the answer is none. Most do their eight and hit the gate.
the more people argue over general motors' failures, the more depressing the whole thing is. i've had several gm cars that i have loved and i'm only 26 years old. please make the system work, the feeling of driving something well-made by workers who can support their families is infinitely superior to bloviating pedants and their reasons for this or that.
@shostakobitch: I have to ask the question; if you are only 26 years old, why have you had "several" cars? I'm 28 and I've had a few. The reason I've had a few (as opposed to, say, one or two) is because they broke down and died, and I had to replace them.
It's a fact that if your competitors have significantly lower OpEx (labor costs being a huge piece of that), then your days are numbered (unless you can get those costs down). Union's inherently block you from lowering your labor costs.
Micky Kaus is not far off - or is Gawker suddenly a Labor Relations thinktank?
Pareene, verily you are a master of twisting other people's arguments to make them sound as crazy as you'd like. Kaus's argument in his latest piece never appears to be that unions are totally to blame. He readily acknowledges that the domestic car companies are turning out junk. His argument is that (1) GM will not be successful long term without reduced labor costs (in addition to appealing product); and (2) that the administration is asking people who don't earn anywhere near $28/hr. (the taxpayers who will ultimately pay for the auto bailout) to shoulder the cost so that those people who do earn $28 won't have to accept paycuts. Disagree you may, but Kaus's argument is not absurd.
@pacific_reporter: my point was basically that mr mickey kaus blames unions for everything wrong and bad, in the world. and that in this case, as in most cases, that is a ridiculous oversimplification, and the motives of anyone who'd indulge in that oversimplification OVER AND OVER AGAIN are pretty suspect.
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We've got 99.44% problems, and a salt lick ain't one?
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@EVERYONE: Of course, this certainly doesn't help: [www.pbs.org]
Basically: Both sides share responsibility, or lack thereof.
Sí, se puede?
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It's not about the little man versus the big corporation. Unions distort what should be a normal "reward for performance and risk for nonperformance" dynamic that everyone else outside of the union faces on a daily basis. If there is no downside to union workers, what incentive do they have to be productive, create quality work product, etc.? Judging from what I've seen of union shops, the answer is none. Most do their eight and hit the gate.
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Then you must really hate executives. Which I think is taking things a bit too far.
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-1986 GMC Suburban
-1967 Chevy pickup
-1979 Corvette
-1999 Pontiac Grand Am
I currently drive a Ford. I drive a ton, at least 30K miles a year, and have few complaints.
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Micky Kaus is not far off - or is Gawker suddenly a Labor Relations thinktank?
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