The first thing I thought when I saw this just a few moments ago was, "Funny that this is being posted now of all times since now of all times is when I really want to commit suicide." I'm twenty-one, have felt suicidal since at least, the age of ten but I had a particularly bad day that's making me wonder if it's worth going on.
@Natali Wind: I have no particular expertise in this field except for a smattering of personal experience, so I'll let you decide if this sounds applicable to you or not:
Discussing your suicidal thoughts online bespeaks a personal need for guidance that cannot be satisfied online. I suggest that either you can change the content of your internal monologue by act of will -- people do it, I've done it myself, though it requires self-reliance and sustained effort -- or else your very next step should be to make contact with a trusted counselor of some kind.
A trained mental-health professional, especially, will ask you about suicidal thoughts very early in your exchanges -- and if you really report eleven years' worth, well, you won't have to do anything else to justify your need for his or her services. You'll be penciled in as a high priority, right away. Which is as it should be.
@skahammer: "I suggest that either you can change the content of your internal monologue by act of will" Ha! You're like so many others in thinking a person can just "will" it away. You write that "people do it" but I have a hard time believing that anyone w/ serious depression really could because if it was as simple as "willing" it away then people would never kill themselves or think about it for years, like I have.
@Natali Wind: My suggestion is that people can change their internal monologues in some cases. Whether this suggestion applies in your case is a question only you can answer.
Also, you'll note that wasn't the only possible approach I mentioned.
@skahammer: That's just how I read what you wrote. A lot of people tell me to think happy thoughts and make myself happy, acting like it's so easy. I'm so used to having to defend myself against that line of thinking that I may have jumped the gun.
a) Call hotline now. If you get someone you don't click with try again. [suicidehotlines.com]
b) If you can, call a friend or family and be honest. Don't be alone and don't feel like an imposition.
c) Probably a lot of truth to the saying that depression is anger turned inwards. Get it out. Scream, yell, punch, and most important, get some exercise every day. If you are disabled and can't do this, or even if you're not,
d) Get started on antidepressants or new antidepressants.
Don't think about it, don't debate the merits. Just do it.
I worked on some clinical trials based on this notion, and some of the results observed were just astounding, especially considering what a simple approach it is.
I haven't kept up with the literature since, but my guess is that this option, when feasible, nearly always deserves strong consideration.
I used to think suicides were terrible, dumb, "tragic" choices, but somewhere along the line of living I stopped believing this.
At some point, for some people, life is no longer worth living-which is everything. You can blame it on mental illness, or lethargy, or malaise; but I am beginning to think it is less of a philosophical quandary that it is an intentional, logical choice to end one's own suffering.
Just because the world is alright for you does not mean it is alright for another; death is not the same for everyone; and one man's tragic death is another man's egress from life itself.
@No Day Like Friday: Hmm. Well, say what you will, but it shouldn't be encouraged, not least because of the possibility that the suicidal mind can sometimes--not always, of course--be changed.
@foursixteen: If you ever experience the suicide of a dear friend or loved relative, perhaps you'll understand. Someone once said that a murderer kills someone, but a suicide kills everyone. Those who've experienced the suicide of a loved one have had their lives changed forever—in a way that they couldn't have anticipated and never would have wanted.
In the long, large scheme of things, life is so short. Stick it out. Death will be here before you know it. If you've got an incurable disease then yes, go—with my sympathies. But if it's anything else, well, try to stick around for a while. See your shrink, take your meds, live your life, and before you know it, it'll all be over. (Too soon for many of us, alas, too soon.)
@No Day Like Friday: I have to admit that I held the conventional disapproving view of suicide until I read about Hunter S. Thompson's self-chosen method of passing and thought about it for a bit.
While I still suspect that self-administering a firearm blast unnecessarily burdens the people you're leaving behind, otherwise he seemed to have thought it through in a way that I couldn't think of a way to critique. He was a dope fiend whose best work was decades behind him and whose body was rapidly giving out; as a result, very few of the pleasures that were once so central to his existence were available to him anymore. He tried to hang on and make his new, reduced existence work for quite a while, but eventually just gave up because he couldn't bear the thought of becoming an even emptier shell of what he once was. My lifestyle is nothing like HST's ever was, but I figure I could kind of see it from his perspective anyway.
Then Christopher Buckley was on Charlie Rose just this past week, and a clip was shown of WFB, on Rose's program, asserting that he was getting pretty tired of life and was making peace with the idea that it would soon be over.
Anyway, I can kind of see what you're saying. There can be positive reasons for taking one's own life, no doubt about it, and treating the option like it's absolutely unmentionable helps no one, I think. Is that kind of what you're getting at?
@Claire Buoyant: You're forgetting Cheney's ability to dematerialize and rematerialize at will, a handy aspect of his (eight open-heart surgeries and he's still here) pact-with-the-Devil-immortality.
Also: Thanks so much for returning your screen name to its original succinctness. It was getting nearly impossible to read the replies to you!
I would love to imagine that he and his comical movie-villain wheelchair were pushed into a ditch next to some Safeway parking lot in Bethesda after the inauguration and left there to rot. Alas, I know he's still at large, location forever undisclosed, an angry cloud of pixels always overhead obsuring the satellite view as he whiles away the years pulling the wings off of endagered butterflies in order to get an erection.
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Discussing your suicidal thoughts online bespeaks a personal need for guidance that cannot be satisfied online. I suggest that either you can change the content of your internal monologue by act of will -- people do it, I've done it myself, though it requires self-reliance and sustained effort -- or else your very next step should be to make contact with a trusted counselor of some kind.
A trained mental-health professional, especially, will ask you about suicidal thoughts very early in your exchanges -- and if you really report eleven years' worth, well, you won't have to do anything else to justify your need for his or her services. You'll be penciled in as a high priority, right away. Which is as it should be.
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Also, you'll note that wasn't the only possible approach I mentioned.
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And one other thing: The process of altering one's internal monologue is definitely not "simple." Where do you get that idea from?
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Natali
a) Call hotline now. If you get someone you don't click with try again. [suicidehotlines.com]
b) If you can, call a friend or family and be honest. Don't be alone and don't feel like an imposition.
c) Probably a lot of truth to the saying that depression is anger turned inwards. Get it out. Scream, yell, punch, and most important, get some exercise every day. If you are disabled and can't do this, or even if you're not,
d) Get started on antidepressants or new antidepressants.
Don't think about it, don't debate the merits. Just do it.
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Seconded, on personal experience.
I worked on some clinical trials based on this notion, and some of the results observed were just astounding, especially considering what a simple approach it is.
I haven't kept up with the literature since, but my guess is that this option, when feasible, nearly always deserves strong consideration.
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At some point, for some people, life is no longer worth living-which is everything. You can blame it on mental illness, or lethargy, or malaise; but I am beginning to think it is less of a philosophical quandary that it is an intentional, logical choice to end one's own suffering.
Just because the world is alright for you does not mean it is alright for another; death is not the same for everyone; and one man's tragic death is another man's egress from life itself.
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In the long, large scheme of things, life is so short. Stick it out. Death will be here before you know it. If you've got an incurable disease then yes, go—with my sympathies. But if it's anything else, well, try to stick around for a while. See your shrink, take your meds, live your life, and before you know it, it'll all be over. (Too soon for many of us, alas, too soon.)
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While I still suspect that self-administering a firearm blast unnecessarily burdens the people you're leaving behind, otherwise he seemed to have thought it through in a way that I couldn't think of a way to critique. He was a dope fiend whose best work was decades behind him and whose body was rapidly giving out; as a result, very few of the pleasures that were once so central to his existence were available to him anymore. He tried to hang on and make his new, reduced existence work for quite a while, but eventually just gave up because he couldn't bear the thought of becoming an even emptier shell of what he once was. My lifestyle is nothing like HST's ever was, but I figure I could kind of see it from his perspective anyway.
Then Christopher Buckley was on Charlie Rose just this past week, and a clip was shown of WFB, on Rose's program, asserting that he was getting pretty tired of life and was making peace with the idea that it would soon be over.
Anyway, I can kind of see what you're saying. There can be positive reasons for taking one's own life, no doubt about it, and treating the option like it's absolutely unmentionable helps no one, I think. Is that kind of what you're getting at?
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Property records and construction photos:
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I can't see a front door on that house. I guess it makes sense for him to go in and out through an underground tunnel.
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Also: Thanks so much for returning your screen name to its original succinctness. It was getting nearly impossible to read the replies to you!
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1. official answer: hurt his back moving boxes
2. other: had a stroke 3 mos ago and was rehabbed enuf to make it being pushed around in the wheelchair
3. other: he's been dead for 7 years and the bot was on the blink; it could sit but couldn't walk