In order to be hired there even though you scored a 1, you essentially have to be a total rockstar. Let's say you've got your PhD in crypto, worked for some other huge tech firm but you suck at interviews and you're so specialized it's not even relevant. Yeah, you're going to get a 1, but when they look at your resume, see your publications and qualifications you get hired. Are you going to be a good employee with those stats? Yeah, most likely.
That being said, people who score 1's, or at least, the 99% who do, many of them wouldn't be able to hack it. If you don't have the social skills you need to have the technical skills. If you don't have either, makes sense that you'd get bounced.
Also, word on the street is that Google is pretty widely hiring right now--not laying off.
The guy who wrote Dress for Success in the 70's is a statistician by trade, and he once analyzed the success of various hiring techniques. The best indicator of later success? Passing the interview with experts in the field the person would be working in; the worst? Impressing the HR drones. #google
I went through an interview with Google and, of course, this is going to sound like sour grapes, but it ain't ... really.
I've got 20 years on the little snot-nosed recent PhD interviewing me and he starts throwing these lame-ass puzzles at me. He speaks, throughout, in the most condescending imaginable tones. Some of them are trivial as in "why are you wasting my time with this, I've already offered to send you code samples and some of my algorithm work". Some of them are so poorly phrased as to have no good answer. A final one was an old saw of a problem - one I'd seen decades ago, once knew the "trick", but that would take more more than 1m to remember the trick. It wasn't even a very practical problem or trick to know for any utilitarian purpose - just one of those old puzzles that geeks trade around as useless toys. Since it was taking me more than about a minute to reconstruct the answer he grew impatient and started talking to me like I was a three year old. The interviewer said several other idiotic things in the course of discussion (not rude, I mean -- technically stupid (although he was also rude)). Our mutual disrespect was mutually clear, I think, by the end of the interview.
A serious problem with Google's culture, I learned that day, is that their declaration of owning "the world's best engineers" has the very bad side effect of giving every loser hired into engineering there the unsubstantiated belief that they are a member of that species.
What I've learned, over the years, is that you have to pretty much (not absolutely, but close) *never* trust an engineer who regards himself as anything other than an average plodder, prone to mistakes, who might be *slightly* better than most at this or that specialty. Those are the only honest engineers you'll find, for the most part. They are the only ones who are appropriately skeptical of their own brilliance. And they do the best work.
The founders of Google set a really bogus tone, from the outset.
First, they come up with a battery of ridiculous questions, then they look at the people that do the worst at answering them and then hire one of those people they just REALLY LIKED.
@edosan: I wonder if doing poorly in an interview reflects not giving the interviewer what s/he expects or wants, in other words, it's a predictor of independence or original thinking. Of course the candidate generally has to be intellectualy solid, not just contrary, so s/he has to ace the other three and be liked well enough to be faught over.
I remember there was an article about a Google (?) HR person (?) who had ridiculously strict ideas of who would make a good employee.
I realize that this may come across as harping, but...
Google has invested in Wojcicki's company at the behest of a founder. Google is not subject to the marriage contract and because 23andMe is still in the startup phase, it hasn't produced any value for Google's shareholders. Any future investments would be subject to the whim of Sergey;
Expect us to add benefits rather than pare them down over time. We believe it is easy to be penny wise and pound foolish with respect to benefits that can save employees considerable time and improve their health and productivity.
doesn't every company started by some fruit-booted shitass in a garage that makes it big go through the same tired cycle of plucky-futurist-luxuriating in cash-cutthroat-obsolete- bankrupt? isn't that observation also cliched? where am i? why don't i have any pants? can i borrow change for the bus?
When I'm running late to the neighborhood potluck, and I don't have time to go to the market, pasta salad is my go to dish that I can whip up little to no time.
Seriously, that pasta salad was the kind of thing I used to make for my college food co-op.
On the other hand, it seemed unfair for the show to keep patting itself on the back about feeding the troops for around 40 of its 60 minutes, and then have the judges mark down chefs for thinking that was more important than the competition.
@TedSez: Sure, it seems unfair, and it probably is, but how dumb is it of these chefs, who've probably seen all five seasons of this show, to think that there was anyway that the element of competition wouldn't be paramount? Did Jersey Douche really think it was OK to make a crappy salad because it was a "team thing" and he wouldn't be judged on his individual contribution? He seemed floored by this concept. Though, he also seems floored by the concept of stopping after four spray tan applications in one day, so, yeah.
Is it just me or are the competitors on Top Chef this season incredibly uneven? Preeti and some of the others(including that large girl with all the metal fastened to her face who keeps making soup) are just terrible while others like the brothers are some of the best ever.
@Fancy Pants: Not just you. Plus it seems to me that the talent is heavily weighted toward the men, other than Jennifer and Ashley. And haven't all three chefs eliminated been women?
@Fancy Pants: We have five strong ones and the rest are mediocre-to-weak; kind of the same as always, I think.
(Strong ones are the pickle brothers, the real brothers, and Jen).
@otherginger: I have a hunch that while the hosts are drooling over the concept of two brothers reaching the final a "dark horse" will come up from the rear and win the whole thing.
I think that rotund guy with the beard from down south who did the pulled pork barbecue for the soldiers is my bet for the "dark horse" who takes home the grand prize. What do you think?
10/30/09
That being said, people who score 1's, or at least, the 99% who do, many of them wouldn't be able to hack it. If you don't have the social skills you need to have the technical skills. If you don't have either, makes sense that you'd get bounced.
Also, word on the street is that Google is pretty widely hiring right now--not laying off.
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10/29/09
I've got 20 years on the little snot-nosed recent PhD interviewing me and he starts throwing these lame-ass puzzles at me. He speaks, throughout, in the most condescending imaginable tones. Some of them are trivial as in "why are you wasting my time with this, I've already offered to send you code samples and some of my algorithm work". Some of them are so poorly phrased as to have no good answer. A final one was an old saw of a problem - one I'd seen decades ago, once knew the "trick", but that would take more more than 1m to remember the trick. It wasn't even a very practical problem or trick to know for any utilitarian purpose - just one of those old puzzles that geeks trade around as useless toys. Since it was taking me more than about a minute to reconstruct the answer he grew impatient and started talking to me like I was a three year old. The interviewer said several other idiotic things in the course of discussion (not rude, I mean -- technically stupid (although he was also rude)). Our mutual disrespect was mutually clear, I think, by the end of the interview.
A serious problem with Google's culture, I learned that day, is that their declaration of owning "the world's best engineers" has the very bad side effect of giving every loser hired into engineering there the unsubstantiated belief that they are a member of that species.
What I've learned, over the years, is that you have to pretty much (not absolutely, but close) *never* trust an engineer who regards himself as anything other than an average plodder, prone to mistakes, who might be *slightly* better than most at this or that specialty. Those are the only honest engineers you'll find, for the most part. They are the only ones who are appropriately skeptical of their own brilliance. And they do the best work.
The founders of Google set a really bogus tone, from the outset.
10/29/09
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10/29/09
First, they come up with a battery of ridiculous questions, then they look at the people that do the worst at answering them and then hire one of those people they just REALLY LIKED.
Wow. That makes a lot of sense. #google
10/29/09
I remember there was an article about a Google (?) HR person (?) who had ridiculously strict ideas of who would make a good employee.
10/07/09
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10/07/09
Google has invested in Wojcicki's company at the behest of a founder. Google is not subject to the marriage contract and because 23andMe is still in the startup phase, it hasn't produced any value for Google's shareholders. Any future investments would be subject to the whim of Sergey;
So, what does NOW think of this power dynamic?
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... until they don't
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On the other hand, it seemed unfair for the show to keep patting itself on the back about feeding the troops for around 40 of its 60 minutes, and then have the judges mark down chefs for thinking that was more important than the competition.
09/03/09
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(Strong ones are the pickle brothers, the real brothers, and Jen).
09/03/09
I think that rotund guy with the beard from down south who did the pulled pork barbecue for the soldiers is my bet for the "dark horse" who takes home the grand prize. What do you think?
09/03/09