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"My $70,000 outfit"
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I was super-thrifty. I got a scholarship for undergrad and worked most of the way through both programs. So including fees and living expenses I graduated with about $60,000 in loans. I make that in about 12 weeks now. Best investment I ever made.
My sister also went to a state college and got her bachelors. Total cost $20k. She makes well into six figures as a VP of sales for a major retailer.
And we both went to school sans help... grew up on welfare and living in housing projects. So it all depends on 1) whether you pick a marketable degree (as opposed to art history) and 2) whether you are willing to work your ass off either way.
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FIFY.
A cube-mate of mine saw the bill for my son's college - state school and all that - and pointed out with a shocked look on his face that SUNY now charges what it used to cost to attend Syracuse University around 1990 or so. So if you went to NC State this fall, here's what you'd pay:
2009-10 Expense/Per Semester/Per Year
In-State Tuition and Fees/$2,764/$5,527
You don't even want to know what it costs a non-North Carolina resident to go there. You might as well go to a really good school, like Syracuse.
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I don't really buy this story much.
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Here's reality:
Bill, who couldn't find a job as a plumber because he was only 18 years old, went to work at Wal-Mart instead, starting at $9/hr. He couldn't contribute 5% of his income on anything because he had to spend everything he earned (and then some) on rent, groceries, and gas.
Three years later, at age 21, he finally got hired as an apprentice plumber at $13/hr. Eventually, he would become an independent contractor and top out at an effective hourly wage of roughly $30/hr.
Do you think plumbers make $75/hr. for a whole 40 hours a week? "No" would be the correct answer. They charge you $75/hr., then pay both his portion of SS/Medicare tax and his nonexistent employer's share. He isn't actually performing billable labor for all 40 hours he's working in any case. If he's lucky, he probably brings home the same as some desk jockey who makes $30/hr.
Ernie, who was reasonably smart (smart enough to go to college and actually get an education) and majored in Electrical Engineering (and minored in some Arts and Sciences thing because he enjoyed it), went to work at Lockheed Martin after graduation at a starting pay of $58,000 (roughly $23.75/hr.), the going rate for new BSEE's, topping out somewhere in the low six figures. Because of his higher income, he managed to pay of his student loans AND contribute a significantly greater percentage of his income than 5% to his 401K.
Who made off better?
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Oops. I just dated myself.
But you do get my point.
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Neither the sword or plowshare have any idea.
If I only had a brain.
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I agree with Thomas Paladino, we need more intelligent, passionate people to be encouraged to take skilled trades, if that's their cup of tea, instead of telling everyone that not going to college is a life sentence of loserdom. I have a friend who is lucky to have made it through school without any debt by working, but now is looking to get an associate's in something she's actually interested in doing (as opposed to what she had majored in). She sees those 4 years as lost time and lost resources she'll never get back, all because she was too intimidated by the dominant ideology that smart people all go to college to just do what she wanted from the start.
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The entire higher-education system needs to be torn down and reworked from the ground up, and the public needs to get very realistic about the cost/benefit associated with schools, because as it stands now we're heading down a path that is completely unsustainable. We cannot have a society completely in debt to universities for educations that they will never use, while we depend on cheap immigrant labor and natural underachievers (or the poor who cannot afford college) to hold what used to be respectable vocations.
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College is not a trade school: it's the place to receive a solid liberal arts education, that will enrish your life and society.
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