@MoeGolden: I believe your pictures stay on their servers and become available again when you renew the pro account. It should have just reverted back to a free account, where you can store as many photos as you want, but only something like 100 are viewable in your photostream.
You want cloud backups, you put them on Amazon or Rackspace yourself. Why would you assume a service like Flickr is reliable storage? That's just beyond silly.
@CJCregg: I didn't know you could have a paid account either. I just looked and don't see the paid version, but wasn't looking too hard.
While I feel badly for these people, how could you not back up your work? You should really have things backed up twice, and somewhere online doesn't count.
FYI for anyone looking for a great photo-sharing service that definitely backs up their customers' content: www.SmugMug.com
Okay, flickr screwed up ... but! ... Morgan Tepsic is a self-promotional "lomography" nut (whose photos aren't all that great really) who constantly writes blog posts about how proud he is of himself for doing relatively banal shit, and about how many "haters" he has. So in the end, it's not surprising that some lunatic former girlfriend would hack his account and delete all his photos. He also claims that he has the FBI on her trail, and insists on calling the perpetrator a "cunt" constantly via blog posts (the latest of which seems to have been erased).
@skt.smth: maybe he deleted them himself. Is that jaded of me to think so? Either way, he got attention and so did Flickr's crazy flaws. Not all bad....
@a0k: Well, I'm not sure I would believe that. Let it be known that this former girlfriend also hacked into his gmail account a while back, and reported him to Korean immigration for teaching children English without a college degree (he's only 19, btw). So I think the constant here is the crazy, lunatic former girlfriend.
Expecting Flickr to back up digital copies of all your photos is absurd, since they would effectively have to double their storage capacity to make that happen. They could bump up the account security, but then again, somebody is always going to be able to answer your security question or whatever, if they really, really want to get to your stuff.
So the moral of the story is: back up digital copies of your own photos, and don't have crazy lunatic former girlfriends who will go to great lengths to mess with your life.
@skt.smth: Security questions aren't ethics exams. You don't have to answer them honestly; you just have to give an answer that you can remember. This way, even if other people know about your personal details, they're still unlikely to answer those challenges correctly.
@skt.smth: Kind of not really the point. The post isn't about whether or not this guy deserved what happened to him. It's about (1) whether the rest of us should trust Flickr with our pictures, especially if we are paying for the service, and (2) whether it makes good business sense for "struggling" Flickr to have such lax security and nonexistent backup - that's really not the best way to attract and keep paying customers.
And incidentally, even if you have everything backed up offline, it's still a nontrivial, time-consuming task to reupload everything if Flickr were to lose your account. I certainly would never pay for a photo-sharing service that didn't provide better security and backup, regardless of whether I had my own backups and/or any lurking crazy exes.
@Claire Buoyant: Sure, and this would probably all have been avoided had Mr. Tepsic chosen those aspects of his account security scheme more carefully.
@major disaster: A Flickr Pro account costs like $2/mo to put up and display an unlimited number of very high resolution photos. I think people who actually use the service feel very different than you do about the value it provides for them. Maybe they should offer another tier of service for people who specifically want to use the service for backed-up storage in "the cloud." But $2/mo for what they current offer is actually a pretty great value.
By the way, you can store an unlimited number of photos on Flickr for free! The kicker is that only the first 100 will be visible in your "photostream." So I don't think Flickr's pricing model constitutes the type of highway robbery you seem to think it is. Not in the least.
@skt.smth: I think this may be the nub of the gist.
Flickr brags about keeping ALL of your photos FOREVER, even if you don't pay for the service.
They are essentially held hostage until you cough up the monthly fee to make them visible.
If you pay the fee however, you agree to a terms of service that says Yahoo can enter your home bludgeon your entire family and you won't hold them responsible.
This is why I prefer Picasa. They give me a certain amount of storage for free that I can use any way I want. If I decided I want more storage, I can pay for it in various increments. There are no hidden files that I can't see but Google employees have access to.
The yahoo deal to me has always seemed a bit of bait and switch. Likewise for their e-mail service that only offers decent spam protection if you pay a fee.
When Google came along it challenged both Yahoo and Microsoft to offer much more generous options for storing data, only in the case of both companies, it came with strings. In this case one of the strings is that Yahoo doesn't give a shit about data integrity.
@macbeach: Wait, what exactly is the problem? Yahoo could just as easily say to free users "You can upload as many pictures as you want, but once you go over 100, we start deleting them, oldest first." They're not holding anything hostage if you *gasp* actually retain copies of your photos on your own storage media.
Anyway, some crazy lunatic ex-girlfriend broke into this dude's account and deleted his photos. Yahoo/Flickr didn't do shit. So I'm not sure where you're coming up with your analogy that makes Yahoo culpable here.
Adorama is one of the two best camera stores in the city, the other being B&H, both of which are owned and run primarily by Hassidic Jews. I don't really know why that particular hassidic detail needed to be in the second graf of this post though, and the fact that it did appear after the group of investors was called "shadowy" in the graf above it, and the sale "fishy" makes it seem a little anti-semitic.
Additionally, you wrote that it's fishy for 8020 Media to be acquired by 8020 Media, but that's an error, at least according to the memo sent out by Fox. It says 8020 Publishing LLC is being bought 8020 Media Inc. So, unless the Fox memo is inaccurate, you got the name of the company wrong in the first sentence of the post.
Lastly, I fail to see what's fishy about the sale. This is a positive development for the magazine, and a pretty remarkable one considering the times we live in, and it's a win for the photography community.
@RonnSicTorossian: Fox's memo is accurate enough, but 8020 Publishing LLC was doing business as 8020 Media prior to the sale. (You could have checked that on 8020's website before writing your comment!) And anyone familiar with the Jewish community would know that there are well-known cases of fraud and corruption among the Hasidim.
@Owen Thomas: Oh, and while we're linking to Ripoff Report, here's one for one of Gawker's current advertisers. Dig enough and you'll find dirt on anyone. That still doesn't justify racism.
Owen, you said that studies have show that CEO pay is the best predictor of a startups success. Based on the link you provide, it looks like it's not studies, but Peter Thiel that says this. Any actual study to go along with this claim? I'd be interested to see it, if so...
@FarfallaJellyfish: Perhaps "study" wasn't the perfect word. Thiel has certainly studied the question. He's backed a startup, Younoodle, which uses CEO pay as a metric to value startups. I don't think he's published a study with the results (since, presumably, the formula is part of Younoodle's value).
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While I feel badly for these people, how could you not back up your work? You should really have things backed up twice, and somewhere online doesn't count.
FYI for anyone looking for a great photo-sharing service that definitely backs up their customers' content: www.SmugMug.com
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I actually do have a paid Flickr account, and still don't expect them to be storage of my pics.
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Expecting Flickr to back up digital copies of all your photos is absurd, since they would effectively have to double their storage capacity to make that happen. They could bump up the account security, but then again, somebody is always going to be able to answer your security question or whatever, if they really, really want to get to your stuff.
So the moral of the story is: back up digital copies of your own photos, and don't have crazy lunatic former girlfriends who will go to great lengths to mess with your life.
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And incidentally, even if you have everything backed up offline, it's still a nontrivial, time-consuming task to reupload everything if Flickr were to lose your account. I certainly would never pay for a photo-sharing service that didn't provide better security and backup, regardless of whether I had my own backups and/or any lurking crazy exes.
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By the way, you can store an unlimited number of photos on Flickr for free! The kicker is that only the first 100 will be visible in your "photostream." So I don't think Flickr's pricing model constitutes the type of highway robbery you seem to think it is. Not in the least.
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Flickr brags about keeping ALL of your photos FOREVER, even if you don't pay for the service.
They are essentially held hostage until you cough up the monthly fee to make them visible.
If you pay the fee however, you agree to a terms of service that says Yahoo can enter your home bludgeon your entire family and you won't hold them responsible.
This is why I prefer Picasa. They give me a certain amount of storage for free that I can use any way I want. If I decided I want more storage, I can pay for it in various increments. There are no hidden files that I can't see but Google employees have access to.
The yahoo deal to me has always seemed a bit of bait and switch. Likewise for their e-mail service that only offers decent spam protection if you pay a fee.
When Google came along it challenged both Yahoo and Microsoft to offer much more generous options for storing data, only in the case of both companies, it came with strings. In this case one of the strings is that Yahoo doesn't give a shit about data integrity.
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Anyway, some crazy lunatic ex-girlfriend broke into this dude's account and deleted his photos. Yahoo/Flickr didn't do shit. So I'm not sure where you're coming up with your analogy that makes Yahoo culpable here.
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FYI, the Times covered the same story here:
[bits.blogs.nytimes.com]
Adorama is one of the two best camera stores in the city, the other being B&H, both of which are owned and run primarily by Hassidic Jews. I don't really know why that particular hassidic detail needed to be in the second graf of this post though, and the fact that it did appear after the group of investors was called "shadowy" in the graf above it, and the sale "fishy" makes it seem a little anti-semitic.
Additionally, you wrote that it's fishy for 8020 Media to be acquired by 8020 Media, but that's an error, at least according to the memo sent out by Fox. It says 8020 Publishing LLC is being bought 8020 Media Inc. So, unless the Fox memo is inaccurate, you got the name of the company wrong in the first sentence of the post.
Lastly, I fail to see what's fishy about the sale. This is a positive development for the magazine, and a pretty remarkable one considering the times we live in, and it's a win for the photography community.
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But the new owners can't take advantage of net loss carry forwards.
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