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    10/31/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Biden was the most inscrutable choice, ever, for VP. Instead of "change" Obama brought out an old hack, who had trouble with both truth telling, even during the campaign, and with inserting his foot into his mouth. Oh, to know what kind of negotiation that was, to get him on the ticket---except, perhaps to allay terrified old white guys who feared a woman and a (half)black man on the ticket would bring on the apocalypse. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    apparently I am in the minority, but I love Joe Biden! I think he's like the lovable Steve Urkel of the White House. He comes in, says stupid stuff, knocks shit over, and is like "Did I do that?" Oh Joe. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Joe Biden is everything thats wrong and fucked up with congress. This dope won his seat in the Senate when he was 29 and has never had another job until being VP. He has learned about as much about how the country works from his perch in DC as Palin learned about Russia from staring at it. He is walking proof we need term limits.

    And he doesn't drink. I don't trust people who don't drink, unless they've already been alcoholics. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Why is it that I feel compelled to defend Gawker's subject matter against the editors/writers at least once a day lately?

    Either this new crop of staff writers is utterly fucked, or the editorial direction has taken a nosedive, or both.

    Is there some negative correlation between the quality of stories and the quality of AJAX/CSS? #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: From where I'm standing, it would appear to be a positive correlation. It's a good day when I get tripped up by fewer than five unresponsive scripts, infinite waits for comments to load or what have you. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @romulus: The site gets prettier, and the content gets lamer. Just callin it as I see it. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: Oh yeah, I didn't mean to quibble. I agree that the site gets fancier all the time, but features seem to break often. I should have added before that it could well be my OS and browser causing headaches most readers don't experience. And in all fairness, I haven't been reading long enough to judge contemporary content against the past. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Not sure what point you're trying to make, Amrita... that you think Cheney's worldview makes some sense? That Cheney was initially popular, before everything he did brought his popularity rating to a low of 28%? I love it that Biden is willing to call a moron a moron. This is a ridiculous post. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Oh, and if you're trying to poke fun at Vice Prez Biden for weeping during the debate when he spoke about his first wife and baby daughter who died, well then, that's just messed up. #joebiden
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    10/31/09

    @Conchie Birdie: One might argue that it was the worst kind of political hackdom for him to bring them up expressly to show his "empathy" side and try to squeeze a tear out of his plastic-surgeryized eye slots. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    I'm absolutely NOT a supporter of ANYTHING Dick says... but, Good Lawwd, Biden, Bin Laden will always BE a part of the issue. I'm sorry, I guess if you had the prez saying this I could understand... but, uh, Joe? Nope.

    That being said, why are we posting crap from Fox News anyway - I thought we weren't supposed to take this stuff seriously?
    #joebiden
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    Well, it turns out that it wasn't some gangs that terrified her into recanting or her being
    "re-victimized" by some other nefarious, heartless forces, but being told that a video of what happened may exist.
    [www.1010wins.com]

    One of the men falsely arrested and charged feared being attacked in jail, due to the nature of the accusations against him. Nice job Danmell Ndonye in ruining the lives of these guys. Even though they've been cleared and released, this will always be connected with their names.

    [www.nydailynews.com]
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    Further to that point - did anyone stop to think that perhaps she was getting re-victimized after the fact so she recanted because she was so upset? Unless you've been raped yourself, you have NO idea about the attack AFTER the attack. False rape claims are pretty rare - if she did do that she is in need of serious mental health help. But my gut, and my info based on talking to someone who was there, is that she freaked out after it happened. But good to know we still live in a Scarlett letter kind of society that double standards women about sex. some things never change. Amazing.
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    09/17/09

    @HypocriticalOath: That was my first thought. After 4 days of questions, the desire to make it all go away can overpower the need for justice.
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    09/17/09

    @CherriSpryte: Exactly. And I love the way every man I've spoken to about this immediately, magically believes the girl was lying. Not only do men (generally speaking) not understand what it is to always have the fear of being physically overpowered, but the fear of being re-attacked or re-victimized by the system is extremely powerful. Why is it so many rapes go unreported? The rape victim does not WANT TO LIVE THROUGH IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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    09/17/09

    @HypocriticalOath: And in this case, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT ALL.
    [www.nypost.com]
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    EXCUSE ME. I have actually talked with one of the security guys who responded to this issue and guess what? First on the scene and his impression was that she totally was raped. If she was drinking, no WAY should that 'train' have happened. I went to Hofstra, drank too much but under no circumstances would I have consented to a five guy train. EVER. But I can tell you I have been drunk enough to have fallen into circumstances where guys could have taken advantage of me. So before everyone starts jumping on the alleged victim - even if she was drunk and said yes, it is still considered a crime in NY.
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    The One promoted this comment HypocriticalOath was starred HypocriticalOath was unstarred
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    09/17/09

    @HypocriticalOath: What expertise does this "security guy" have in assessing crime victims?
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    09/17/09

    @The One: Well for starters, more than some jacka$$ sitting at his computer writing 'faker' on a blog. Second, this guy's got about 15 years in security biz, other assorted emergency response training as well. I don't want to offer too many details but safe to say he wasn't some rent-a-cop like those douchebag parole officers in CA who couldn't figure out that Jaycee was living there with two kids that were a product of Garrison raping her for years. SOME security folks actually have accurate perception.
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    09/17/09

    @HypocriticalOath: Too bad it turns out there's a video of the incident, which is what led her to recant, not some nefarious forces victimizing her over and over again.

    So much for your big shot pal. And it looks like you owe Andrew an apology.
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    This whole incident reminds me a bit too much of Testimony
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    I think this says a lot for keeping identities of victims and accused secret... avoiding inevitable media furore in favour of, perhaps, justice...
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    skt.smth promoted this comment OrvaKolibri was starred OrvaKolibri was unstarred
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    09/17/09

    @OrvaKolibri: So people can just disappear into the justice system and never be heard from again. That sounds like an awesome idea, actually.
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    09/17/09

    @skt.smth: If that's a legitimate concern, you could give the accused the option of being named or not.
    Otherwise, naming both parties or not naming them has always sounded good to me -- so long as there is some determination that just naming the victim wouldn't deter a significant number from reporting the crime (and no, I don't know what "significant" means, but lawmakers draw lines every day).
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    skt.smth promoted this comment Edited by DuckDuckGoose at 09/17/09 9:49 AM DuckDuckGoose was starred DuckDuckGoose was unstarred
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    09/17/09

    @DuckDuckGoose: So the justice system that is detaining you can be trusted to honestly administer an option to detainees as to whether they'd like to be named publicly or not? I'd much rather that law enforcement just had a policy of naming detainees and stuck to it as a matter of principle.
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    09/17/09

    @skt.smth: Fair enough. But if rape suspects are to be treated the same as all others, how about applying the principle of naming the complainant and the accused equally?
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    09/17/09

    @DuckDuckGoose: Because the accuser isn't being held in detention by police. And anyway, non-minor accusers usually are named by police. Cases of sexual assault have become an exception to the rule.
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    09/17/09

    @skt.smth: And that exception was what we were all talking about in this little thread, I thought.
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    09/17/09

    @DuckDuckGoose: Sure, if only there weren't such a horrid history of shaming rape accusers and dragging them through the mud for daring to tell the authorities what happened.

    I think it's pretty clear that the public gains no real use from knowing the identity of a rape victim, nor does the police department suffer any detrimental effects from keeping it a secret. And since the rape victim is not being detained by police, there is no threat to the public interest either.
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    09/17/09

    @skt.smth: The damage done to someone who has been wrongfully accused of rape (add a 5 times multiplier for child rape) isn't something that a person just bounces back from.

    Once they've been convicted, I don't care. A jury has seen a case through and I'm willing to believe that they made an appropriate decision. Before that? I don't think any names should be released to the public. In this case, it appears that she suffered remorse for her actions and dragged a handful of people through the mud for it. She wasted the time of the police, the courts and the school because she lied. She wasted taxpayer money and we'll still never know who she is.

    Worse yet? She's eroding credibility of women who actually suffer abuse and rape.
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    09/17/09

    @Shini: R.O.A.C.H.: How do you know that we'll never know who she is? If the police charge her with a crime, I'm sure they'll release her name.
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    OK, so the five-on-one sex in the bathroom stall was consensual, which makes the smiling young bastards I see in the morning newspaper lucky bastards instead. Good luck getting this wiped from the Internet, good luck getting past a decent personnel department. The woman clearly has issues. So do the men.
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    naugahydeinplainsight promoted this comment Edited by DuckDuckGoose at 09/17/09 9:33 AM DuckDuckGoose was starred DuckDuckGoose was unstarred
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    09/17/09

    @DuckDuckGoose: This I agree with. Even if it really wasn't a "rape" (and at what point does it become one?), it sounds like something fucked up happened, and both parties have some deep issues. Not that five-on-one-sex is inherently "fucked up," but the fact that she first called it a rape makes me think it wasn't completely consensual if it even was at all.
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    If this were an episode of Law & Order: SVU, this wouldn't be over. Stabler and Benson would prove that she was threatened by the psycho mom of one of these guys. I'm just sayin.
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    09/17/09

    In reply to Faker
    Well if this girl was sexually abused as a child and/or has mental health issues I hope she gets the help she needs. However, she has done a great disservice to actual victims especially victims of on-campus gang rapes. They are already accussed giving implied consent (either by being intoxicated, dressing provactively, or just being around the "popular" guys in the first place who obviously don't need to rape anyone b/c lots of girls will have sex with them) and face uphill battle from the beginning. This will certainly not help.
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