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maevemealone
06/10/09

In reply to Jon Voight Still Braying Angrily About That Dang Marxist Obama
I overheard the most ridiculous rant at a wedding two weeks ago (in the church! moments after the ceremony!) "He's destroying the very fiber of this country! He's an Acorn, ACLU supporting socialist who is undoing everything this country is about!" I had to wait two more minutes to overhear him say "Obama" to clarify exactly what he was talking about before this man launched into the Sotomayor choice: "What a disaster this woman is! Every single decision she's made in her life is a complete disaster! He's absolutely destroying America" and on and on as the all too polite elder gentleman he was speaking to tried to redirect the idle chat he had somehow turned into a landmine. I had to walk away because I was getting angry and couldn't decide whether to get into or laugh in his face. Needless to say that was the sore loser Republican side of the aisle. Jon Voight, I'd give you the guys number if I knew who he was.
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Mediahohoho
06/10/09

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What I don't get is where the oppression is.

It's called a free and fair election.

The entire anti-Obama movement consists of sour grapes.
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RagtagOperation
06/10/09

@Mediahohoho: Well, when your party platform consisted of "Do it this way, or else Democracy dies!" you're actually behaving rationally because you hold the maxim that anything opposite to your ideology is lethal. The difference between parties isn't even about ideologies anymore, as much as it is that one stands for "American ideals," whatever that means, and the other stands for "non-American ideals."

Never said it was a good maxim to hold though...
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Mediahohoho
06/10/09

@RagtagOperation:

He's not one of us real Americans. It's not hard to figure out what it's really about.
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i'm a bottle
06/10/09

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Is it just me or does Bill O'Reilly almost sound reasonable when talking to Jon Voight? What I think he's doing is just playing that role in order to set up a strawman for Voight to attack.

Also, Voight is wrong about a crucial point: Pravda is not the "Soviet news agency" anymore, it's under Putin's thumb and it publishes outright lies and Kremlin propaganda.
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mossdale
06/10/09

@i'm a bottle: pravda is great. I check it out every day. It's like the national inquirer or world news (plenty of sex and aliens), but with even more bizarre editorializing--and just to keep you guessing, every once in a while legitimate analysis, from a distinctly Russian perspective.

I think the real state agency news is found in RIA Novosti, or maybe Itar-Tass.
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i'm a bottle
06/10/09

@mossdale: RIA Novosti is wonderful in its own right. I've never seen a more blatantly propagando-militaristic newspaper. There isn't a page without at least two completely extraneous pictures of rockets, missiles, mortars, fighter jets and tanks.
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Preopsician
06/10/09

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Can you get over the "ha-ha, Obama is a socialist" (meaning, of course he is not; Republicans see a commie behind every tree). Instead of using this inoculation means of argument, deal with reality. There is such a thing as socialism, which is an economic concept. It is not either/or. Sweden is not the Soviet Union, but it is more socialist than Australia. Taking over the auto companies is more socialist than letting the market decide their fate. Giving states federal money and then dictating how they run their unemployment insurance programs is more socialist than not doing so. Government mandated health care, however wonderful, falls under socialism. What puzzles about the American left is that it basically endorses every socialist program imaginable and then ridicules anyone who dares call it socialism. To say Obama is a socialist is not the same as calling him Lenin.
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Excited_Utterance
06/10/09

@Preopsician: You're right, it's not either/or, but nor is there some continuum with socialism on one side and free markets on the other. I understand socialism to be laborers owning the means of production, either directly and/or through the circuits of government. If so, giving federal money to states and investing in GM aren't remotely socialist. A better term, which moves away from this continuum, is government entrepreneurship. They (and we!) are banking on making their money back (and they probably will).

You bring up a good point about the American left - I heartily endorse Social Security and nationalized health care and all that stuff. But I'm also critical of government entrepreneurship, not because it's a new thing (it's cute how people think the federal government only started bailing companies out in 2007 when there's a long, glorious, decades long history of such activity), but because it is, indeed, not socialist in any way, shape or form.
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Preopsician
06/10/09

@Excited_Utterance: Some good points, but "investing" in GM? Government could have bought stock if it wanted to invest in GM. No private money wants any part of GM; how can there be any hope of getting those billions back? The first wave of money evaporated almost immediately. The unions still have most of their work rules in place, because the unions are a greater priority for the Democrats than the taxpayers are. Does anyone on earth believe that Chrysler is a viable company or ever will be? When government "invests" in something that no one else will touch, that is not entrepreneurship, that is government running a business and using public money to compete against companies in which people have actual money at risk. Like the stock I owned in GM. Wiped out.
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Mediahohoho
06/10/09

@Preopsician: Yeah. Governments propping up incompetent companies that run their businesses inefficiently suck.

Exhibit A: Halliburton.
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/10/09

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To be fair, I only attack the "D-list wingnuts" when they crawl out from under their rock and using their celebrity to arrange a photo-op with Saddam or Chavez. So I don't like Sean Penn because he likes to visit scum bag rulers and I don't like Tim Robbins just because I think he's goofy. Separate issues.
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Kobayashi Maru
06/10/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: I don't recall any American other than Donald Rumsfeld taking photos with Saddam. And I'm not sure if he lives in Hollywood.
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Oy Veh (Informality Reigns)
06/10/09

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Mr. Actor-Boy, to paraphrase Lloyd Bentson,

I've DATED girly-boys; I KNOW girly-boys. The President, sir, is NO girly-boy.
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Oy Veh (Informality Reigns)
06/10/09

In reply to Jon Voight Still Braying Angrily About That Dang Marxist Obama
Big words for a man who's most famous for playing a Times Square hooker.
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The_Lovely_Miss_Bronx
06/10/09

In reply to Jon Voight Still Braying Angrily About That Dang Marxist Obama
Holy crap. Who'd have thought that Bill O'Reilly would be he voice of reason and moderation in that exchange?

Best moment is when that asshat Voight laments that the Obama administration is attacking the "enterpeners" at 5:10. (I think he means "entrepreneurs.")

He also quotes Lincoln and Pravda to bolster his fuzzy argument -- all of which boils down to: Angie! Brad! Pay attention to me or I'll embarrass you even more!
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The Cajun Boy
06/10/09

@The_Lovely_Miss_Bronx: I know, right! Every now and again Ole BillO will just go off the rails and shock the shit out of you.
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i'm a bottle
06/10/09

@The_Lovely_Miss_Bronx: I should have read yours before I wrote my own comment.
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Pinekatz
06/10/09

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Braying!! Perfect.

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unclevanya
06/10/09

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Stay tuned, soon it will be revealed that Voight and Nelson, like Heston and Reagen before them, suffer from dementia. The crazier the better for those GOPers...
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
06/10/09

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I still don't get his relationship with Chabad.
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The Cajun Boy
06/10/09

@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Whose relationship? Obama's?
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
06/10/09

@The Cajun Boy:

No, John Voight does (did?) the Chabad telethon every year. He is or was their big celeb. But why? Why John Voight? It would be fund to hear how they met.

Chabad anecdotes: The local Chabad Rabbi's kids used to go down into the village and play video games on Friday nights. On Yom Kippur once, Bob Dylan's limo drove into the Chabad building. Bob went up to the shul while his son roller skated around the underground parking lot. On Yom Kippur. (Good name for a song in there somewhere) Barbara Streisand used to come over to the Chabad house one in a while and reportedly received permission to pray with the men.
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unfuckwithable
05/29/09

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I'm eagerly awaiting Lessons From Major Dad.
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MediaZombie
05/29/09

In reply to Craig T. Nelson Has Plum Had It With Paying Taxes, Dangit!
"As an investor, as someone who gets taxed an awful lot."

Craig T. Nelson paid capital gains taxes this year? Really? If you had capital gains income last year, are you in a position to be complaining about the 'excessive' 15% long-term rate?
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mfnher
05/29/09

@MediaZombie: Unfortunately, there were a lot of people who had to pain capital gains this year, despite major losses. Mutual funds and managed accounts. But, yeah, still bullshit argument.
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mfnher
05/29/09

@mfnher: Pay. Ugh.
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Mediahohoho
05/28/09

In reply to Craig T. Nelson Has Plum Had It With Paying Taxes, Dangit!
But apparently he wants government money to go to education. So he's for the stimulus bill?

But hey, Craig, I'm right there with you. Let's start with the biggest government entitlement of them all: the tax deduction people get to take on their house payments. As a renter, I'm all for losing that particular bit of welfare.
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Niko Bellic
05/28/09

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On the issue of being taxed to pay for things you otherwise wouldn't pay for yourself, I'd like to quote our president, Barak Obama:

That's the point! No, seriously: that's the point!
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