Love Marissa in magenta, but her makeup for this segment is not doing her justice.
This talk about pixels and shades of blue is just a distraction. Marissa is Vice President of Not Killing the Golden Goose. Google ain't broke, and it's her job to keep engineers (and designers) from fixing it. Gatekeeper? Goosekeeper? You be the judge.
"Good students are good at all things": This comes from a New York Times profile of Marissa. She's discussing candidates, mostly recent grads, for "a program to foster in-house talent". To me it sounds more like an internship than internal transfer. With piles of applications from top students, it's not surprising that a single 'C' could take you off Google's short list.
In the next paragraph, another candidate has received employer ratings of 3.5 out of 4, exceeding expectations, for several quarters running. Marissa says "She is looking for a way out." It's not clear what she means or whether this is a Google employee. Maybe Marissa is looking for rising stars, not adequate performers, for this position. Or maybe she's just a bitch. There's no way to tell from the article.
And why was a reporter allowed to sit in on a hiring session like this? Where was HR and Legal?
Why doesn't Marissa Mayer have any training in neuroscience or psychology? That's pretty standard for most people who work in human factors. Why is she an exception and that too working at Google of all places?
If her job is to do nothing more than arrange focus group testing and crunch the data, then any old statistician could do her job. So why isn't any old statistician doing her job?
I dont get what going on there: first she hires some nobody to make artsy skins for google search, and now she's all about numbers and (market) research.
Meanwhile the UI in every app but gmail and reader is in need for a serious overhaul.
Man, my hair totally gets a dent in the back of it too. I have like a blowdrying blind spot and pictures always horrify me. Call me, Marissa! My hairdresser taught me a trick!
HONESTLY? valleywag is grasping at straws to become a 'real' gossip rag. give me a break. no one actually cares about this woman-- shes boring, and valleywag just looks silly mocking her all the time.
(1) I’m curious about what Google products/apps we’re talking about. Are we talking only about Search?
(2) Has anyone noticed how different the interfaces can be across Google’s portfolio of web applications? Isn’t that ... problematic?
(3) Mayer is representing a position that is the opposite of hubris in design. In the implicit ideals in the words of the designer who quit, and in Owenrsquo;s use of the word "ugly," I detect more than a whiff of hubris and, indeed, elitism. Designers, like architects, want to control from the top down: they want to be taste-makers. But not everyone agrees on what is beautiful or ugly, not even after you "enlighten" them with the power of "good" design. De gustibus. At the end of the day, more people may prefer a design that professional designers find "ugly."
The thing is, Mayer's kind of right about this. Google is a business, not an art gallery. Their goal is to make money(clicks), not entertain some graphic designer's subjective idea of what is aesthetically pleasing. And web design for profit (as opposed to for fun or for art) is about satisfying your client's needs, so on this one, Mayer has the right approach.
Actually Owen, it's you that just got the C in web design.
@GrumpyMcGillicutty: Actually, that whole shpeil just makes you sound like a grade A asshole. Just like Mayer.
Sure, design is meant to be pleasing to a majority of people. That's a given. And there's a place for that. But nobody will ever really grow with that philosophy. It's just like trying to make art by committee, maybe you can make something that's moderately pleasing to slightly more than half of the people, but you'll never make something that's really loved, or that really changes people's minds. You'll never have a person really grow to like what you've made, and THAT'S what a design team is hired for. Good design grows your audience not by being instantly beloved, but by being innovative and quality.
That, plus the whole fucking whiney "I'm right 75% of the time, and all the data in the world supports ME and ME ALONE". What kind of shit is that?
If funeral home workers are snipping little samples of hair from erstwhile rockstars without repercussions, we should be able to get a team into Mayer's throneroom with electronic sniffers to find out if her work product smells any different.
The lines at 5ive are crazy because JC has been going all out. Today they cooked an entire goat, and invited 3,000 people. Entitlement is a stretch, but, that's your schtick, so, whatever.
Nice job on the quote. How long did it take you to write something that sounds so natural?
"Can you believe this? They make 50 highly paid engineers wait in line for one lowly paid chef."
I don't understand the fuss. He's absolutely right. It doesn't make financial sense to have your overpaid engineers waiting forever for a burger when you could hire a couple more chefs. It's not hubris -- it's economics.
@glewin: You think these engineers are paid hourly?
And if Google is the one offering the free food on their campus, they should certainly expect their employees to, ya know, eat there, and staff it such that it makes financial sense.
I don't think the employee was complaining about having to wait. I think he was complaining about the cafeteria having a negative ROI.
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03/31/09
This talk about pixels and shades of blue is just a distraction. Marissa is Vice President of Not Killing the Golden Goose. Google ain't broke, and it's her job to keep engineers (and designers) from fixing it. Gatekeeper? Goosekeeper? You be the judge.
"Good students are good at all things": This comes from a New York Times profile of Marissa. She's discussing candidates, mostly recent grads, for "a program to foster in-house talent". To me it sounds more like an internship than internal transfer. With piles of applications from top students, it's not surprising that a single 'C' could take you off Google's short list.
In the next paragraph, another candidate has received employer ratings of 3.5 out of 4, exceeding expectations, for several quarters running. Marissa says "She is looking for a way out." It's not clear what she means or whether this is a Google employee. Maybe Marissa is looking for rising stars, not adequate performers, for this position. Or maybe she's just a bitch. There's no way to tell from the article.
And why was a reporter allowed to sit in on a hiring session like this? Where was HR and Legal?
03/30/09
If her job is to do nothing more than arrange focus group testing and crunch the data, then any old statistician could do her job. So why isn't any old statistician doing her job?
03/29/09
Meanwhile the UI in every app but gmail and reader is in need for a serious overhaul.
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am I missing something?
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(2) Has anyone noticed how different the interfaces can be across Google’s portfolio of web applications? Isn’t that ... problematic?
(3) Mayer is representing a position that is the opposite of hubris in design. In the implicit ideals in the words of the designer who quit, and in Owenrsquo;s use of the word "ugly," I detect more than a whiff of hubris and, indeed, elitism. Designers, like architects, want to control from the top down: they want to be taste-makers. But not everyone agrees on what is beautiful or ugly, not even after you "enlighten" them with the power of "good" design. De gustibus. At the end of the day, more people may prefer a design that professional designers find "ugly."
03/29/09
Actually Owen, it's you that just got the C in web design.
03/29/09
Sure, design is meant to be pleasing to a majority of people. That's a given. And there's a place for that. But nobody will ever really grow with that philosophy. It's just like trying to make art by committee, maybe you can make something that's moderately pleasing to slightly more than half of the people, but you'll never make something that's really loved, or that really changes people's minds. You'll never have a person really grow to like what you've made, and THAT'S what a design team is hired for. Good design grows your audience not by being instantly beloved, but by being innovative and quality.
That, plus the whole fucking whiney "I'm right 75% of the time, and all the data in the world supports ME and ME ALONE". What kind of shit is that?
03/29/09
03/06/09
The lines at 5ive are crazy because JC has been going all out. Today they cooked an entire goat, and invited 3,000 people. Entitlement is a stretch, but, that's your schtick, so, whatever.
Nice job on the quote. How long did it take you to write something that sounds so natural?
03/06/09
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03/05/09
I mean - I really *think* someone is taking Owen for a ride.
03/06/09
03/05/09
I don't understand the fuss. He's absolutely right. It doesn't make financial sense to have your overpaid engineers waiting forever for a burger when you could hire a couple more chefs. It's not hubris -- it's economics.
03/05/09
03/06/09
And if Google is the one offering the free food on their campus, they should certainly expect their employees to, ya know, eat there, and staff it such that it makes financial sense.
I don't think the employee was complaining about having to wait. I think he was complaining about the cafeteria having a negative ROI.
03/06/09
I don't think you understand the point of Google's "perks" model.
03/05/09