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    Image of Joy_Rebar Joy_Rebar
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    Oh, I get it: 4As sounds like "Forays." Otherwise, the name brings to mind a 4H full of Tracy Flicks.
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    Image of hatey hatey
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    I used to bartend at a hotel where PR/ad types would come to chill and host their functions. I could never figure out why they loved the place, but they did.


    They were also-- each and every one, especially the bright-eyed twentysomething females-- completely revolting. Like, I hated them more than I hate dudes who clip their fingernails on the train.


    I think we saw something familiar in each other, though. They're generally creative types, and I guess they feared wasting their twenties in the service industry while trying to 'make it.' I, on the other hand, abhor the idea of getting up before ten, putting on uncomfortable clothes, and taking a pay cut just so my mom feels like college wasn't a waste of time and money.

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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    Working for an agency, you'll never be loved by anyone except your client (and then only if you do good work). But you can avoid being despised by not lying and not selling evil products.
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    Image of ArmCandy ArmCandy
    04/29/09

    @econdave: But what if you're managing press for a politician you admire or a charity you're passionate about, instead of, say, Philip Morris?
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    04/29/09

    @ArmCandy: FWIW, I'm talking advertising. People that need to be loved in any business shouldn't be in advertising.
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    Image of xyzpdq xyzpdq
    04/29/09

    @BadUncle: Clients don't 'love' ad agencies...If you work for an ad agency, your client wants you doing the impossible for a pittance, and will toss you aside in a heartbeat for another agency that does good work and charges slightly less.
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    04/29/09

    @xyzpdq: Your mileage may differ, etc.
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    Image of econdave econdave
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    I met a PR person at a conference over the weekend. She seemed like a very nice person, but something about the whole business comes across as unseemly. Like you're selling yourself for money. There's some other occupation like that, I can't quite think of it...
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    Image of britneyspearstears britneyspearstears
    04/29/09

    @econdave: We are all whores in some way, shape or form.
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    Image of allyzay allyzay
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    i don't know a single non-manager who works in these fields who qualifies as "well-paid". i can name a couple writers, for example, who are better off so whatever. there's a billion and one reason to hate flacks and salespeople, trust me because i have to deal with them all fucking day. but i ain't fooling myself that they are getting paid better than i am.
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    Image of Hamilton Nolan Hamilton Nolan
    04/29/09

    @allyzay: Really? At least 90% of the flacks I ever dealt with were better paid than me.
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    Image of Plawf Plawf
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    i've always experienced a certain amount of cognitive knowing that by pursuing a career somewhere on the p.r./advertising/marketing continuum, i would be entering an industry highly invested in manipulation and steeped in double-speak.


    i never realized the answer to my concerns was more bullshit.

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    Image of Plawf Plawf
    04/29/09

    @Plawf: cognitive dissonance*
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    Image of Mount_Prion Mount_Prion
    04/29/09

    @Plawf: Cognitive knowing? yesh.
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    Image of Mount_Prion Mount_Prion
    04/29/09

    @Plawf: Sorry, heh.
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    Image of blix blix
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'
    Who flacks the Flackmen?
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    Image of Mount_Prion Mount_Prion
    04/29/09

    In reply to Fundamentally Dishonest Industries: 'Love Us!'



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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    I caught one of them demographics of "mean income of $114 mil per." They were standing at a light ... which meant another city another time. There were three prosperous bankers and a couple of guys who wait at Home Depot for odd jobbs.


    I didn't ask 'em anything though.

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    Image of Hamilton Nolan Hamilton Nolan
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    Interpreting this as us saying we have a superior lifestyle would be very, very wrong.
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    Image of Cheap Shot Cheap Shot
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    As if working for a blog is more rewarding? riiiight?
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    Image of Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    My suspension of disbelief was o.k. with S.A.T.C. for the most part...but the fact that she worked at a WEEKLY newspaper? Every time that was mentioned my head would invariably just start to shake back and forth. "No."
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    Image of pufflehuff pufflehuff
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    Um. Don't ignore the fact that SATC dealt with Carrie's financial woes! Two words for you: Charlotte's ring. It's the reason why I hang around my wealthy puritanical divorced brunette friends while they go about their voluntary gallery jobs.


    Diamond Bailout!

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    Image of ihateyourescalade ihateyourescalade
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    Okay, but um? Hamilton? You're not working at a magazine. You're working at the epicenter of the medium that is gleefully slobbering over the impending death of print.
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    Image of smithhimself smithhimself
    02/13/09

    In reply to The Editorial Dream Lifestyle is Dead
    Smithhimself's life IS quite glamorous. Long drunken lunches with writers that adore his salty wit, then staggering back to the office where sharp-as-a-whip Ivy League interns and junior editors have already done the heavy lifting.


    Dinner tonight at the Waverly, more alcohol and then a town car ride home to his vast Manhattan apartment. Smithhimself's faithful cleaning lady has turned down the sheets. Ahhh, slumber. And sweet dreams....

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    Image of gladys_kravitz gladys_kravitz
    02/13/09

    @smithhimself: Is Smithhimself single? He sounds like a nice catch so long as he can still get it up at the end of the day after all that booze.
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