I'm a Brit, but I bloody loved it, and I've never been a massive Tarantino fan (Jackie Brown aside). Shame about it shoring up Weinstein, but do go and see! It's unique.
Well if America can't sell atrocities committed from a moral high ground to the world, it must mean that the art of film making is just a waste of time!
What about Project Runway? Didn't it do well on Lifetime? Give the guy a break. He had a good week. I can't believe I'm saying this, but don't write his obit yet (even though karmically the man is prolly unsalvageable).
@RonMwangaguhunga: Isn't the PR money already made and spent on Harvey's end? Lifetime paid TWC for the rights some time ago, and now Lifetime makes its money in ad revenue.
This made $65 mil worldwide this weekend. Can't they extrapolate out what it will earn worldwide now? Isn't the fall-off rate after the opening weekend like >50%, so maybe it will earn $150 mil total?
They paid $100 mil; Brad Pitt gets $30 mil; $20 mil left, Universal gets half, so Weinstein is left with, maybe $10 taxable million at the end of the day? I'd say put a fork in Harvey, but I'm afraid he'd blow around the room and end up in a crumpled heap.
The other problem is that -- in order to get Brad Pitt -- they agreed to pay him 20% first dollar gross.
First dollar gross means an adjusted gross participation payable from the first dollar of receipts. Also...
Payment to movie theaters increases and payment to studio decreases on each successive week of release.
My general feeling is that the film will make money after DVD sales, but Harvey is definitely not out of the dark woods because of this film.
A personal comment: virtually every article about Weinstein Co. -- including the Times piece -- has been completely clueless about how studios, etc...make their profit.
A $35 mil marketing budget, and not a penny of it spent on someone to proof their tagline! It's "Once upon a time in Nazi-occupied France...," you basterds!
Yeah, I've fucking had it with Hollywood subjecting us to unfamiliar perspectives on the Jewish experience. We need more films that present an exclusively Hebrew point of view on subjects about which the Jews are the only real authorities, like "Amistad" and "The Color Purple."
Remember: the Second World War belongs to the Jews.
Mr. Leibovitz has a point, yet in the larger sense, misses one. The Shoah is a mediated experience necessarily, given the fact that there are almost no living witnesses left alive, due to the passage of time, not to mention the murder.
I will try to keep this pithy, but the thesis of Leibovitz' essay seems to be that the essence of revenge in Tarantino's film, the lack of apology for wholesale slaughter of the Nazis, robs the film of its redeeming quality; which begs the question, must Jews always suffer, and perish, nobly, talmudicly transmuting their suffering into higher purposes, in order to make themselves acceptable for public consumption? Are Jews, amongst all others, robbed of their right of righteous anger and vengeance in the face of unquestionably evil forces of extermination? I know my language is strong, but a cursory look at the history books should forgive a moment's hyperbole.
Mt. Tarantino may not be the most high-minded of filmmakers, but it is difficult for this writer to find fault with a popular movie maker who transcends the piety surrounding the Holocaust and feels free to treat the Shoah in a way which is for once not condescending to the Jews as lambs to the slaughter, but equals in so far as the vernacular of WWII films, able to avenge the evils done to them as all other cinematically persecuted groups, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Eli Roth's bat does not in any way negate the suffering of six million, but to claim otherwise is to negate the importance of the six million's suffering the first place.
This is the first "mainstream" film in which Jews are not silent victims, but active antagonists towards Nazis. This is not, in any way, a bad thing.
And, furthermore, this is not a bad film. It is artfully made; some may disagree, which is fair, but the "political" point of this film is unassailable. The Nazis were, without doubt*, an evil which deserved to be wiped from the face of the earth, and any cinematic vision of their demise is to be commended. All of the hand-wringing misses the essential point: No one will walk out of Inglourious Basterds thinking other than that the Nazis were an evil which should have been eradicated, and if they do, then they are not worth talking to, in my opinion, and hopefully yours. Any artistic quibbles are beside the main point of this comment, and fit for other, more fruitful, discussion: Leibovitz' objections to this film focus on its morality, which I feel is unassailable.
The Holocaust, the Shoah, those were amoral. Inglorious Basterds is a movie in which genocidal mass-murderers get their heads beat in, because they are genocidal mass-murderers. If anyone has a quibble with Nazis being killed, then the gulf of understanding between us is so wide as to never be straddled by polite reasoning.
I think its very stifling to say the only wish-fulfillment dialogue on WW2 can be one that's inclusive from within the Jewish community, whether it's in movies or literature. The truth is that outsiders can deliver observations the insiders often omit or don't see. Most interestingly, outsiders present dreams that insiders would be criticized for sharing with outsiders.
Looking past the characterizations, QT delivered a fantasy metaphor that manages to both thank and praise the Jews for their tenacity in Hollywood: rare enough. And then the finale is something that wider audiences will appreciate because Tarantino's agenda escapes being diminished by criticism that he is being self-serving and self-gratifying by the inevitable opponents who attack the film if he were Jewish. Sure, it'd be great if he were Jewish and made this film, but then the criticisms would be much harder, and that doesn't make either unfair for someone with good intentions.
@chelseabill: Duh times infinity. "These Jewish men" you speaketh of f*cking created film industry as we know it, and gave us the blueprint movies that every filmmaker on Planet Earth is currently ripping. The point I was trying to make is that without the Jewish Jews in question there would have been no "Hollywood," in either the abstract nor the literal sense. They built this city, have run it since; are still running it--and mazel tov, I say. I feel happy and safe about this state of affairs.
Yes, point taken...we all know those guys made a fortune. I've had this argument at approximately 4000 afterparties and figured "Jewish surnames in movie credits" was already the 300 pound gorilla in the room.
Luckily my family made its money in groceries. I can sleep knowing that we only manipulated produce prices.
Liel Leibovitz surely must me the most humorless Jewish person in the history of mankind. In fact he sounds very little like the Jews I've known and more like a.. OK, I'm not gonna go there.
Wondering when exactly we started taking Tarantino seriously? I still can't look at him and not think that some overlord of puppet theatre won't erupt from his bloated forehead. This does make me fearful for mankind...but his non-Jewishness, not so much. His very apparent brain-monster however...very much so.
@Baroness: No worries. If it's of 'ole QT there, than I'm sure it's almost scientific, like studying a mastodon or something, or pre-man. Like when beings used their massive craniums to fight for food, women, and shelter.
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They paid $100 mil; Brad Pitt gets $30 mil; $20 mil left, Universal gets half, so Weinstein is left with, maybe $10 taxable million at the end of the day? I'd say put a fork in Harvey, but I'm afraid he'd blow around the room and end up in a crumpled heap.
08/24/09
First dollar gross means an adjusted gross participation payable from the first dollar of receipts. Also...
Payment to movie theaters increases and payment to studio decreases on each successive week of release.
My general feeling is that the film will make money after DVD sales, but Harvey is definitely not out of the dark woods because of this film.
A personal comment: virtually every article about Weinstein Co. -- including the Times piece -- has been completely clueless about how studios, etc...make their profit.
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I thought The Weinsteins were against long cuts like Quentin Tarantino's last flop?
08/23/09
Remember: the Second World War belongs to the Jews.
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08/22/09
I will try to keep this pithy, but the thesis of Leibovitz' essay seems to be that the essence of revenge in Tarantino's film, the lack of apology for wholesale slaughter of the Nazis, robs the film of its redeeming quality; which begs the question, must Jews always suffer, and perish, nobly, talmudicly transmuting their suffering into higher purposes, in order to make themselves acceptable for public consumption? Are Jews, amongst all others, robbed of their right of righteous anger and vengeance in the face of unquestionably evil forces of extermination? I know my language is strong, but a cursory look at the history books should forgive a moment's hyperbole.
Mt. Tarantino may not be the most high-minded of filmmakers, but it is difficult for this writer to find fault with a popular movie maker who transcends the piety surrounding the Holocaust and feels free to treat the Shoah in a way which is for once not condescending to the Jews as lambs to the slaughter, but equals in so far as the vernacular of WWII films, able to avenge the evils done to them as all other cinematically persecuted groups, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Eli Roth's bat does not in any way negate the suffering of six million, but to claim otherwise is to negate the importance of the six million's suffering the first place.
This is the first "mainstream" film in which Jews are not silent victims, but active antagonists towards Nazis. This is not, in any way, a bad thing.
And, furthermore, this is not a bad film. It is artfully made; some may disagree, which is fair, but the "political" point of this film is unassailable. The Nazis were, without doubt*, an evil which deserved to be wiped from the face of the earth, and any cinematic vision of their demise is to be commended. All of the hand-wringing misses the essential point: No one will walk out of Inglourious Basterds thinking other than that the Nazis were an evil which should have been eradicated, and if they do, then they are not worth talking to, in my opinion, and hopefully yours. Any artistic quibbles are beside the main point of this comment, and fit for other, more fruitful, discussion: Leibovitz' objections to this film focus on its morality, which I feel is unassailable.
The Holocaust, the Shoah, those were amoral. Inglorious Basterds is a movie in which genocidal mass-murderers get their heads beat in, because they are genocidal mass-murderers. If anyone has a quibble with Nazis being killed, then the gulf of understanding between us is so wide as to never be straddled by polite reasoning.
* (And there is no doubt)
08/21/09
Looking past the characterizations, QT delivered a fantasy metaphor that manages to both thank and praise the Jews for their tenacity in Hollywood: rare enough. And then the finale is something that wider audiences will appreciate because Tarantino's agenda escapes being diminished by criticism that he is being self-serving and self-gratifying by the inevitable opponents who attack the film if he were Jewish. Sure, it'd be great if he were Jewish and made this film, but then the criticisms would be much harder, and that doesn't make either unfair for someone with good intentions.
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"Hogan's Heroes."
Lighten up buddy.
I mean honestly...what do you expect from Hollywood? Is anything out of that shithole ever good for Jews in the long run? That town can suck it.
If I want Judaic spiritual affirmation I can wait for the International Jewish Film Festival.
08/21/09
Samuel Goldwyn, Louis B. Mayer, Marcus Loew, Robert Evans, +infinity would beg to differ.
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I, however, have been most pleased.
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Yes, point taken...we all know those guys made a fortune. I've had this argument at approximately 4000 afterparties and figured "Jewish surnames in movie credits" was already the 300 pound gorilla in the room.
Luckily my family made its money in groceries. I can sleep knowing that we only manipulated produce prices.
(Again...I'm joking. Everyone please lighten up...kthanxbye.)
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Wondering when exactly we started taking Tarantino seriously? I still can't look at him and not think that some overlord of puppet theatre won't erupt from his bloated forehead. This does make me fearful for mankind...but his non-Jewishness, not so much. His very apparent brain-monster however...very much so.
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