Between Kristol enabling Jihadi assassins and Geraldo Rivera revealing troop locations in the middle of the initial surge of a full-on US invasion, I have to wonder what the US did to make Republican Conservatives hate her so.
Quelle Surprise, a president is planning to do a photo op?! I thought only neoconservatives did that sort of thing. Bill is just pissed off that karl rove isn't getting any credit.
It's not fair! How come I'm getting investigated for war crimes?! All the other guys were torturing detainees too. They're not getting investigated. And I was extra careful and everything. This is totally mean and unfair!
Just for that, I'm not going to collect any more intelligence for you. So there!
"The CIA broke the law. They literally killed detainees. Killed them. People who might've been very bad people, but we'll never know, because they were never charged with any crimes, they were not treated as prisoners of war, they were just assumed to be terrorists, and the CIA actually literally killed them."
DUH! Thats what the CIA is there for. Why is everyone such a bleeding heart liberal.
And for the record, closing Gitmo is a dumb fucking idea. Just another useless 'change'. And yes, i voted for Obama.
@t0ph: Really? Seems to me that there's some clear definitions of what the CIA is for, and we've got some pretty specific laws covering it. It's just that they usually are better at the covering up the tracks part.
Sad that they've gotten to be so bad at the job.
As for 'Gitmo', I suspect there were people who thought that the government had gone too far the first couple of dozen times in recent history that someone set up a detention camp for prisoners they declared outside the bounds of normal laws. It's just that the last couple were so publicized that we really ought to know better than to go down the road.
@skippywasserman: I think that when people had a vague idea of what the CIA did no one had issue, but now that certain methods and events have come to light arms go up.
I'm not losing sleep either way.
edit: just reread your post - it is SAD they have gotten so bad at their jobs..
@RheaPollstry: What frigging planet do you live on? Are you trying to say that agency's such as the CIA which sometimes may have to do the unthinkable are not necessary?
@johnny_carsick: Save it, man. I do not mind being the minority here. And just because I have an opposite and unpopular opinion does not mean that I am an idiot. Way to swoop in and lend some weight to the discussion.
Isn't there a "Rachael Zoe" liveblog missing you right now?
@Paul_Is_Drunk: Take the dick out of your ear and listen. I was involved in a back and forth discussion, you have contributed nothing. Go be wonderfully sassy somewhere else.
@t0ph: You probably also think that domestic spying is A-OK because after all, if you haven't done anything wrong then you should have nothing to hide.
@RheaPollstry: No, I do not. I do think that the reality is that there will always be people of interest that any government is going to be looking at, domestically as well as abroad. I seriously do not agree at all with what the Bush administration did. Making illegal acts legal just brings to light the harsh and cruel acts that the CIA was doing.
As far as domestic spying, come on. No one deserves to be disappeared for weeks or months at a time due to profiling because you have a 'funny sounding' name or a different skin color or anything like that. So where did you get the idea I thought that was alright?
@t0ph: "Thats what the CIA is there for. Why is everyone such a bleeding heart liberal."
(Quietly raises hand.) Uh, actually the CIA's prime objective is not to torture and kill people. It's mainly an intelligence-gathering organization. Spies and shit. And the previaling notion is that information derived from torture has to be cross-checked and vetted anyway, because people who are being beaten to death in clandestine holdings cells tend to say anything to stop being beaten to death. I know: very bleeding heart of me. I'm such an unpragmatic ignoramus! (Slowly lowers hand.)
@johnny_carsick: "somehow, i'll get by. so long as you shut the fuck up forever. because you do realize you're an absolute tool, right?"
Nice, asshole.
To all: Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am misinformed. I am always willing to get more info and reassess what I know. No reason to be FUCKING ASSHOLES ABOUT IT. Seriously. GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
They investigated some "more than once" - is that supposed to make us feel better or worse? "We already looked into this, but let's check it one more time because it looks pretty bad... Nope, still nothing."
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Another proof that the Republicans are becoming the New Taliban.
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Just for that, I'm not going to collect any more intelligence for you. So there!
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DUH! Thats what the CIA is there for. Why is everyone such a bleeding heart liberal.
And for the record, closing Gitmo is a dumb fucking idea. Just another useless 'change'. And yes, i voted for Obama.
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Sad that they've gotten to be so bad at the job.
As for 'Gitmo', I suspect there were people who thought that the government had gone too far the first couple of dozen times in recent history that someone set up a detention camp for prisoners they declared outside the bounds of normal laws. It's just that the last couple were so publicized that we really ought to know better than to go down the road.
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I'm not losing sleep either way.
edit: just reread your post - it is SAD they have gotten so bad at their jobs..
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Isn't there a "Rachael Zoe" liveblog missing you right now?
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As far as domestic spying, come on. No one deserves to be disappeared for weeks or months at a time due to profiling because you have a 'funny sounding' name or a different skin color or anything like that. So where did you get the idea I thought that was alright?
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shine on, you glorious libertine diamond! wield boldly thy contrarian blade, and swing wildly!
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You are just a rabble-rouser, a villager holding a torch, following popular opinion. You make noises but say nothing.
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neener neener neener.
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(Quietly raises hand.) Uh, actually the CIA's prime objective is not to torture and kill people. It's mainly an intelligence-gathering organization. Spies and shit. And the previaling notion is that information derived from torture has to be cross-checked and vetted anyway, because people who are being beaten to death in clandestine holdings cells tend to say anything to stop being beaten to death. I know: very bleeding heart of me. I'm such an unpragmatic ignoramus! (Slowly lowers hand.)
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Nice, asshole.
To all: Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am misinformed. I am always willing to get more info and reassess what I know. No reason to be FUCKING ASSHOLES ABOUT IT. Seriously. GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
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Pareene: its, not it's.
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