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    Image of Trixie from Toronto Trixie from Toronto
    01/01/09

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Defamer was brilliant when it was just Seth and Mark Lisanti. I hope it finds a home, Lisanti returns and it reverts back to that magical era.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    I'm not sure if I even want Nick Denton to change his profile pic anymore.
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    Image of bigleggedwoman bigleggedwoman
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Ah, Defamer led me to this site many months ago....


    But they shouldn't be punished for THAT.

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    Image of HiredGoons HiredGoons
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Way to piss off the pee ons.
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    Image of altruuuism altruuuism
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Does anyone else remember Consumer Reports For Kids?? My childhood dream was to be one of those kids who got the free crap to review.
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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @altruuuism: No, but my son gets National Geographic Kids, and it's just as dreary, essentializing, and earnest as the real deal.
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    Image of BaconCat BaconCat
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    This is like a 'not rape' of defamer.
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    Image of SarahHeartburn SarahHeartburn
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    While you guys are changing things all around for 2009, I have a request. Can we please retire that picture of Denton? I'm sick of that t-shirt. I'm sure Mr. D. has much more fetching attire.
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    Image of MisterHippity MisterHippity
    12/31/08

    @SarahHeartburn: Maybe they'll just keep using the one I took instead.
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    Image of whoneedslight whoneedslight
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    I feel like a Boston Red Sox fan who tries to be true, but keeps losing her favorite players every year. Oh wait.
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    Image of mmstk101 mmstk101
    12/31/08

    @whoneedslight: At least you're not a Marlins fan.
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    Image of smithhimself smithhimself
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    I realize that no one else cares, but I am fascinated by the on-going drama of the Denton Empire. I truly would like to see the books of Gawker Media Network and figure out which sites are paying for themselves and which ones are dead weight.


    The bottom line for Denton and any business is labor cost. Once a site is up and running, the on-going expenses are minimal. But labor costs can kill you which is why Denton keeps experimenting with different pay systems and inducements for the staff.


    I've dealt with film people for years and once lived in Los Angeles. Defamer never really got it. The editors never understood the town or the "industry." It was never a go-to site for anyone in the business. (Unlike, Nikki Finke's site)


    Denton, I know you're not asking for advice, but here it is anyway: What you sell to advertisers and what generates hits is the same thing -- voice, attitude, style, point of view. If the "voices" on the different sites seem true, the viewers will come. All this means, hiring good writers and, alas, that is a labor cost.


    Good luck with the on-going struggle.

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    Image of Wrapitup Wrapitup
    12/31/08

    @smithhimself: Thanks for that. More please. And you are so right about Defamer. Snark is good and all, but without a real grasp of the players and the inner workings and the industry, simply posting videos of some actor's appearance on Letterman with sarcastic commentary will just not cut it. Finke has Defamer beat.


    I think Denton needs to focus less on snark and more on substance.

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    Image of allyzay allyzay
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    which editors from consumerist and defamer are you going to inexplicably shove onto gawker to "globalize" it, then?
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    Image of Catfish_Jones Catfish_Jones
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Well, if Consumer Reports is getting Consumerist, how about, um, Lady Miss Kier getting Defamer.


    After all, she used to be in Deelite.


    It's pretty close. Just an extra "e."

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    Image of Moff Moff
    12/31/08

    @Catfish_Jones: Actually, it's two extra e's: Deee-Lite.


    Yours in pop-music copy editing,

    Moff

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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @Catfish_Jones: Groove is in the heart, baby.
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    Image of Svengali_Jones Svengali_Jones
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Gawker Media is turning into Blondie, one hot chick surrounded by 4 nerds.
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    Image of noxiousbeast noxiousbeast
    12/31/08

    @Svengali_Jones: This, in my opinion, is Commie-worthy.
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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @Svengali_Jones: perhaps, but we're still listening to Blondie. I mean, have you seen Debbie Harry lately? Granted, she's looking more like Camille Paglia every day, but she can still sing.
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    Image of Wrongavore Wrongavore
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    Maybe Consumer Reports will hire Sheila?
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    Image of Cord Cord
    12/31/08

    @Wrongavore: Too funny and ironic too.
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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @Cord: but think of the fun resulting from 'product reviews' + 'snark'. Wouldn't it be nice to hear Consumers actually say something sucks ass?
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    Image of Wrapitup Wrapitup
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    I'm just wondering out loud: what would happen if Denton actually invested in good writers over the long term by paying them well and not overworking them? That way, there'd be less turnover and a much more consistent voice thru all of his websites.


    I think Kotaku, Gizmodo, Deadspin and Jalopnik are way more consistent in their voice and range of topics covered.

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    Image of Claytons Claytons
    12/31/08

    @Wrapitup: Consumerist maintained consistency in spite of Denton's firings and other changes. It's a shame the same can't be said of Gawker.
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    Image of allyzay allyzay
    12/31/08

    @Claytons: consumerist "maintained consistency" because it is the driest goddamn website on earth. it's like saying that the ap "maintains consistency".
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    Image of ihateyourescalade ihateyourescalade
    12/31/08

    @Wrapitup: Wow, imagine a world in which companies actually paid their employees fair wages. Sounds like....socialism.
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    Image of Pinekatz Pinekatz
    12/31/08

    @Wrapitup: I guess the answer isn't make more money or all his blogs would be tucked safely in their beds.
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    Image of QueenAlice QueenAlice
    12/31/08

    In reply to Consumerist, Defamer Leaving the Gawker Media Fold
    I don't even read the other sites, so I don't care.
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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @QueenAlice: and there's a reason for that. I mean, geographically i should be all over Valleywag, but have you looked at it? I do, but only when i can't sleep.
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    Image of mmstk101 mmstk101
    12/31/08

    @Hydroceph: I started on Consumerist, but found it a bit too shrill, then migrated to Gawker, which is where I plan on staying.
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    12/31/08

    @QueenAlice: First they came for Consumerist and I said nothing. Then they came for Defamer, and I said nothing. You know where this is going.
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    Image of SybilDisobedience SybilDisobedience
    12/31/08

    @mmstk101: I did the exact same thing. I still read Consumerist from time to time, but Gawker is my real home.
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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @SybilDisobedience: yep, i know what you mean. Gawker is my home, too. I spent a little time on Defamer, but it's kind of slow, and frankly, i'm not that interested in Hollywood. As much as i'm interested in science fiction, Io9 had too many Star Trek shut-ins posting on it...i don't care how many Romulans can dance on the head of a pin. Nope, Gawker's a snark sanctuary and i'm a snark.


    I'm hoping that with the money saved from some of the smaller concerns they'll upgrade they're bloody servers. If not, then we have to give serious consideration to what Mama Penguino says above.

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    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    12/31/08

    @Hydroceph: their bloody servers. jeez, and i haven't even had anything to drink yet.
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