@fileunder: Pageviews are not displaying correctly at the moment. It's a temporary, known issue which should be resolved shortly. Thanks for the bug report. Do you have any actual insights to share?
@Owen Thomas: Come on, Owen, in a post decrying the supposed online incompetence of a competing journalistic enterprise (one that started on lowly paper, rather than being native to the intarwebz, by the way), you have to admit that fileunder's point 1) makes itself and 2) is worth a giggle or two.
It's not an aggressive attack -- just a little needle.
Yes, but they will loose any "Google Juice" (a.k.a. PageRank) they had from any links pointing to the older articles. For every link on the old iht.com site they need to issue a 301 status code on an HTTP request and a redirect to the new link.
The fact they redirected everything to the home page is a pure and complete boneheaded move on the part of the technical staff at the NYTimes; incompetence I'm sorry to say. It's no wonder small companies keep trouncing the big ones on the web that came of age before ~1995.
I hear what you're saying, but the only way to do that on such a large scale would be to make sure that the urls from iht.com map to global.nytimes.com in a consistent manner, which could be a complex operation depending on how things are set up. The NYT may have decided that doing this wasn't cost effective and instead just set up iht.com/* to redirect to the landing page. That or the incompetence thing as you mentioned.
@FaceMelter: It's not really that complex; hell, Wordpress can do it automatically.
This hits rather close to home, as a nonprofit I used to work with has just rehired a splashpage-crazed web designer who hates deep linking and LOVES javascript redirects to the main page. And then loves to email around, asking people to link to various articles in the site. Time for raincoaster to walk away.
Yes, I third-personed myself. That's how fried raincoaster is.
@raincoaster: The fact that Wordpress can do it doesn't mean that other CMS systems can. Not every CMS generates title-based url's that are easy to redirect by just changing the domain or directory in the url.
My own company is currently wrestling with this issue. We've decided to temporarily do a homepage redirect for all pages in order to hit our deadlines just like the NYT has, and we'll fix it post-launch. I don't know if the NYT is doing temporary or permanent redirects.
Just as the iht.com links will disappear during the next crawl, won't the archived articles that were rolled into the nytimes.com domain now appear in Google? So won't these links still appear in Google, but now point to the nytimes.com domain?
@FaceMelter: The old URLs have the incoming links, which is what PageRank is made of.
Google will index any new URLs nytimes.com presents it with, but those links will have lower PageRank because they start with zero inbound links. If nytimes.com had redirected the old links, they'd get the PageRank juice from those links.
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It's not an aggressive attack -- just a little needle.
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The fact they redirected everything to the home page is a pure and complete boneheaded move on the part of the technical staff at the NYTimes; incompetence I'm sorry to say. It's no wonder small companies keep trouncing the big ones on the web that came of age before ~1995.
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I hear what you're saying, but the only way to do that on such a large scale would be to make sure that the urls from iht.com map to global.nytimes.com in a consistent manner, which could be a complex operation depending on how things are set up. The NYT may have decided that doing this wasn't cost effective and instead just set up iht.com/* to redirect to the landing page. That or the incompetence thing as you mentioned.
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This hits rather close to home, as a nonprofit I used to work with has just rehired a splashpage-crazed web designer who hates deep linking and LOVES javascript redirects to the main page. And then loves to email around, asking people to link to various articles in the site. Time for raincoaster to walk away.
Yes, I third-personed myself. That's how fried raincoaster is.
03/30/09
My own company is currently wrestling with this issue. We've decided to temporarily do a homepage redirect for all pages in order to hit our deadlines just like the NYT has, and we'll fix it post-launch. I don't know if the NYT is doing temporary or permanent redirects.
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there's a hall of mirrors effect here
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Google will index any new URLs nytimes.com presents it with, but those links will have lower PageRank because they start with zero inbound links. If nytimes.com had redirected the old links, they'd get the PageRank juice from those links.