The problem with net neutrality is that it allows the government to determine how a private enterprise should deliver its service. An internet service provider's bandwidth is not a public good. #glennbeck
@princess_peach: An internet service provider's bandwidth is not a public good.
Yeah. And health insuarnce provider's services are not a public good either. Therefore, they have the right to deny any part of it to anyone they fucking feel like. Am I getting this right? #glennbeck
@princess_peach: Well who do you think paid to lay down those pipes , Missy? Yeah, the taxpayer paid for streets to be torn up to lay miles of fiber-optic cable and ALL of the goddamn infrastructure behind delivering broadband to American homes. For which still we pay dearly in our monthly bills, while elsewhere in the world, high-speed internet is treated as as a utility, an abolute must for the proper productivity of society. Ten times faster, ten times cheaper than what we get in the US.
"Private enterprise" my ass, you twit. Telecoms censoring and intentionally slowing down sites that don't pay their protection fees is not "private enterprise", it's extortion.
Oh and I love your assertion here : " An internet service provider's bandwidth is not a public good. "
Besides being false and stupid, since every other country on Earth DOES see broadband Internet access as a public good, a utility, stupid cheap thinking like yours is why the US is slowly slipping into a third-rate country when it comes to smarts and competitiveness in the global marketplace. Why do you hate American ingenuity and competitiveness? Why should the Koreans have superior, better, faster, cheaper Internet than us? Why do you think US telecoms ought to be able to hinder and slow websites they don't like, who won't or can't pay their blackmail fees?
Pretty idiotic POV, "Princess". Go fucking read up on it, won't you dear? #glennbeck
@Baroness: I have read up on it. I am in favor of net neutrality as a principle. I just don't like the idea of the government telling private entities how to run their businesses. I feel like if there is such a public demand for net neutrality, someone would have started an ISP that offers it. It is a service that I would personally be willing to pay more for.
I just get uncomfortable any time that the government tries to tell people how it should run their business. ISPs are not the Internet... they are merely access points to the internet. There are also TONS of them... It isn't like a single company has a monopoly over which sites you can and can't access. #glennbeck
@Baroness: Excellent. I think it's wasted on princess_peach (she is too far gone), but it's certainly useful for saving the youth from the pitfalls of the twisted, ignorant thinking she has displayed here. #glennbeck
@Baroness: Where on earth did you get the idea that all these lines were laid by the government? Have you ever viewed a job site where electric, gas, telephone, or cable lines were being put down? Hint: the trucks do not generally have a government logo on them. I will acknowledge that the taxpayer chips in lot of the costs through right-of-way and so forth, but it is the utilities and their shareholders that paid, many billions, for the great mass of tearing up that pavement, installing the lines, and repairing that pavement. Do you actually think the government installed all of our telephone lines? If that were the case, we would just be getting to the strings and tin cans stage. Just walk around the streets where you live and look who is doing this kind of work, instead of launching volleys of absolute ignorance about our infrastructure. Just think about the absolute failure of various cities' dreams of providing wireless to everyone for free. Failure, as in dismal.
Also, is there some reason why anyone on this site who doesn't think government should do everything is a target of profanity? What a great debating tactic. #glennbeck
@quotidian: but it is the utilities and their shareholders that paid, many billions
Oh, thank goodness! Seeing that these utilities (with billions) are just free market businesses that compete with each other, I can pick and choose whose lines I am going to use, right? Yeah. Right.
It's supposed to be. Whereas the businesses are not. It's through actions like this that the government acts on behalf of the people, like it should. Of course that no government is perfect, but this one is at least trying to be what the government is supposed to be. #glennbeck
@quotidian: Also, is there some reason why anyone on this site who doesn't think government should do everything is a target of profanity?
Yes, there is. Here is why:
If we were having this discussion in Sweden, Canada, or Japan, I could see some people railing up against the government "doing everything". But dude, this country has less government involvement in things than any other (industrialized) country in the world. Pulling for even less than that is pulling in the direction of... what? The nineteen century capitalism that ended in Great Depression? The uncharted territories of right-wing extremist economy? Because dude, if you need even less government than there is anywhere else in the world, you are an extremist. And having in mind in what kind of shit we are all in right now, I really don't think we can afford any extremist experiments. So, yeah, if you are going to describe yourself as someone who is simply against "government running everything", all I can say to you is: shut the fuck up. Fair?
@princess_peach: It's great that you have read up on Net Neutrality. So we can assume you recognize that what Beck is saying about the issue is totally not what Net Neutrality actually promises. Not once in the shows he has done this week has Beck or his guest informed his audience of the the actual tenets of Net Neutrality. To the contrary, Beck said it means censorship of content and free Internet access for the poors. Nor does he tell his audience that Net Neutrality has been one of the guiding principles of the Net since its inception. Why do you think that is? #glennbeck
@quotidian: Actually, the Internet prior to the 1990's consisted almost exclusively of university and government networks - derivatives of networks such ARPANet and NSFNet - which were funded and administered by the military initially and later by government agencies like the NSF. And, it was the government - specifically the NSF - that commercialized the internet in the early 90's. Almost all of the technology - routers, hubs, servers, switching algorithms, various network protocols - used then and in modern networks were the result of government funded research which evolved around these primitive networks. #glennbeck
@princess_peach: Then it's back to the locked garment factory for you, and I don't want to hear any shit concerning this so-called "weekend" you keep whining about. #glennbeck
@atlasfugged: Thank you, but I'm still furious at some of the pig-ignorance in this thread, like Mr. Quotidian trying to claim that the pipes and cable infrastructure that forms our expensive half-assed broadband was merely some mountain that hardy entrepreneurs successfully mined without government help. Absolute bosh and horefeathers! Begone with such nonsense. Telecoms have had staggering gifts, benefits, tax breaks and granted immense monopolies due to public infrastructure, and now they're greedy for more. They want to set up toll roads so that independent websites are intentionally thwarted and slowed, so that massive corporations can supposedly get an edge, as if anyone cares for their offerings.
Glenn Beck is a filthy demented liar who I am truly sick of having to consider daily. But there he is, lying his lies about Net Neutrality, and absolutely perverting it's meaning to the exact opposite, and leaving its corpse in an obscene position to find like a serial killer.
Glenn Beck can go to hell. Net Neutrality Now, we the US taxpayers paid for those pipes, those cables, and received nothing in return. The entire rest of the world sees broadband as a massive boon to creativity and productivity, and here in the US Glenn Beck is arguing that we should allow these telecoms to slow it, impede it, make top dollar extorting money from independent websites with threats.
Net Neutrality Now. That is all. Anyone listening to Beck is not worth arguing with. #glennbeck
@Niko Bellic: Sorry Niko we have far too much government now. We don't want to be Sweden, Canada, or Japan. While I hate to use the tired ass phrase "love it or leave it" it kind of applies.
The Government is full of fuck ups. Fucked up people who constantly lie and fuck things up. This applies to both parties. The Government is not your friend. They don't give a shit about you.
If the Government was an advanced artificial intelligence I would have more faith in it even if it had the possibility to go all Skynet on our asses.
Anyone who wants to give those pricks any more responsibility or power whether it is health care, net neutrality, or anything else is a fucking idiot who cannot think for themselves.
You know what's the best part? Even as fucked up as things are now America will be fine as long as these retards keep their fucking hands out of the cookie jars. We will rebound, we will persevere because we are the best country and have the best citizens in the fucking world. #glennbeck
@quotidian: Where on earth did you get the idea that all these lines were laid by the government?
I never said that, did I? What I did say was that the street and the pipes and the circuits and the electricity were indeed paid for massively by the NYC taxpayer when they were laid down. The fact that "private" corporations took massive advantage of that is scarcely germane to your argument. The pipes, the streets, the circuits- these belong to NYC, not Time Warner or whomever, who were granted outrageous monopolies on no basis for mere cable TV alone in the 80's, not even metioning broadband Internet to come.
So what's your point, Quotidian? Please prove to me that NYC taxpayers didn't pay through the nose for conglomerates to profit off of. Please show me how it makes us a better society that conglomerates threaten to choke off Internet traffic for sites they deem objectionable.
Can't see your point here, private companies may have laid the pipe in NYC streets, but they do not own the civic , physical infrastructure of NYC. They have been the ones exploiting it for years, tax-free. And I'll repeat my claim: we in the US will become a third-rate country if broadband Internet acces is priced as a luxury item if telecoms have their way. When every other country in the world treats it properly as an essential utility, that benefits us all. The US is so pinched in its thinking here, trying to squeeze more pennies at maximim price. And now they want to stall and thwart sites that don't pay their blackmail?
Well God help us all. Corporations don't actually own NYC streets and infrastructure yet. But what embarrasssing retardation and dick capitalism is working against NYC being a proper world-class city these days. Ferociously dick cheapness, that the Internet is not widely accessible, on, and always. Bass ackwards. #glennbeck
@Niko Bellic: It impresses me, saddens me, and appalls me how many people actually forget this damn fact. Just because a self-important group of elitists and whiners chose a isolationist (and counterproductive) stance on society, thus ignoring your responsibility to participate in our government does NOT make it 'us against them'. #glennbeck
@ConAir34: The government is full of fuck ups, private businesses are full of fuck ups, the general public is full of fuck ups.
By your logic, we should give up on society, because no one is qualified to be running things. Your blind faith that as long as we ignore problems they will go away is disconcerting. What happened to the good ol' Steve Rogers/ John Wayne/ Teddy Roosevelt America that stared down its problems and beat them into submission? #glennbeck
@princess_peach: Has anyone asked yet what on earth you think the role of government is EXCEPT to tell people how to do their business? It's a question that gets lost when people start arguing your non-points but I think it's a valid one. What do you think these people get paid for if not to make rules and regulations? If that makes you "uncomfortable" every time it's done, may I suggest that you start an anarchist revolution?
Also, Princess Daisy is better, and you were better when you were called Princess Toadstool. Argue that!
@allyzay: Princess Toadstool could totally fly. You got me there... but apparently EGM rated Peach as one of the top ten video game politicians. #glennbeck
The only ones who are legitimately opposed to Net Neutrality are the internet service providers. Everyone else who uses the Intarwebs benefits from Net Neutrality, even Glenn Fucking Beck and the merry band of gullible dumbfucks who watch his show and send his books to the top of NYT Best Sellers list. Anybody, who is not an ISP executive and uses the internet, but doesn't support Net Neutrality, needs to get a fucking clue or stop just using the internet because clearly - with the exception of porn - it is of no use to him/her.
PS: I hate that fucking blackboard that Beck uses. Like he's some esteemed professor trying to teach a bunch of ignoramuses something so complicated it couldn't be illustrated in one of the simple, digestible graphics Fox graphics department typically shits out. I imagine his empty-headed viewers sitting in front of their TVs with a notepad and printed-out wingnut lecture slides taking notes.
That explains what happened to Tim Hattrick. He must have been on half a dozen stations in Phoenix during the 90's. Just couldn't hold a job after his experience with Beck. #glennbeck
That douche bag he's talking to is from American's for Prosperity, that's the group that we saw a video of a whole bunch of them clapping and cheering when they heard that Chicago was out of the Olympics. #glennbeck
Seriously, there's no prohibition on lying one's fucking ass off on television anymore, is there?
No wonder they were such hyper weepy bitches about the (nonexistent threat of the) Fairness Doctrine being re-instated. It's sounding pretty good lately though. #glennbeck
@Baroness: I don't understand the opposition to the Fairness Doctrine. But then again, when it comes to Reagan, I don't understand a lot of things. #glennbeck
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THEY'RE PROTECTING IT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!
*sorry* #glennbeck
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He's angry, weepy, unhinged and rich. Throw in a Spruce Goose and curly fingernails and he's Howard Hughes. #glennbeck
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Yeah. And health insuarnce provider's services are not a public good either. Therefore, they have the right to deny any part of it to anyone they fucking feel like. Am I getting this right? #glennbeck
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"Private enterprise" my ass, you twit. Telecoms censoring and intentionally slowing down sites that don't pay their protection fees is not "private enterprise", it's extortion.
Oh and I love your assertion here : " An internet service provider's bandwidth is not a public good. "
Besides being false and stupid, since every other country on Earth DOES see broadband Internet access as a public good, a utility, stupid cheap thinking like yours is why the US is slowly slipping into a third-rate country when it comes to smarts and competitiveness in the global marketplace. Why do you hate American ingenuity and competitiveness? Why should the Koreans have superior, better, faster, cheaper Internet than us? Why do you think US telecoms ought to be able to hinder and slow websites they don't like, who won't or can't pay their blackmail fees?
Pretty idiotic POV, "Princess". Go fucking read up on it, won't you dear? #glennbeck
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I just get uncomfortable any time that the government tries to tell people how it should run their business. ISPs are not the Internet... they are merely access points to the internet. There are also TONS of them... It isn't like a single company has a monopoly over which sites you can and can't access. #glennbeck
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It is the government who is the people, not the businesses! Christ.
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Also, is there some reason why anyone on this site who doesn't think government should do everything is a target of profanity? What a great debating tactic. #glennbeck
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Oh, thank goodness! Seeing that these utilities (with billions) are just free market businesses that compete with each other, I can pick and choose whose lines I am going to use, right? Yeah. Right.
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It's supposed to be. Whereas the businesses are not. It's through actions like this that the government acts on behalf of the people, like it should. Of course that no government is perfect, but this one is at least trying to be what the government is supposed to be. #glennbeck
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Yes, there is. Here is why:
If we were having this discussion in Sweden, Canada, or Japan, I could see some people railing up against the government "doing everything". But dude, this country has less government involvement in things than any other (industrialized) country in the world. Pulling for even less than that is pulling in the direction of... what? The nineteen century capitalism that ended in Great Depression? The uncharted territories of right-wing extremist economy? Because dude, if you need even less government than there is anywhere else in the world, you are an extremist. And having in mind in what kind of shit we are all in right now, I really don't think we can afford any extremist experiments. So, yeah, if you are going to describe yourself as someone who is simply against "government running everything", all I can say to you is: shut the fuck up. Fair?
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Glenn Beck is a filthy demented liar who I am truly sick of having to consider daily. But there he is, lying his lies about Net Neutrality, and absolutely perverting it's meaning to the exact opposite, and leaving its corpse in an obscene position to find like a serial killer.
Glenn Beck can go to hell. Net Neutrality Now, we the US taxpayers paid for those pipes, those cables, and received nothing in return. The entire rest of the world sees broadband as a massive boon to creativity and productivity, and here in the US Glenn Beck is arguing that we should allow these telecoms to slow it, impede it, make top dollar extorting money from independent websites with threats.
Net Neutrality Now. That is all. Anyone listening to Beck is not worth arguing with. #glennbeck
10/21/09
The Government is full of fuck ups. Fucked up people who constantly lie and fuck things up. This applies to both parties. The Government is not your friend. They don't give a shit about you.
If the Government was an advanced artificial intelligence I would have more faith in it even if it had the possibility to go all Skynet on our asses.
Anyone who wants to give those pricks any more responsibility or power whether it is health care, net neutrality, or anything else is a fucking idiot who cannot think for themselves.
You know what's the best part? Even as fucked up as things are now America will be fine as long as these retards keep their fucking hands out of the cookie jars. We will rebound, we will persevere because we are the best country and have the best citizens in the fucking world. #glennbeck
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I never said that, did I? What I did say was that the street and the pipes and the circuits and the electricity were indeed paid for massively by the NYC taxpayer when they were laid down. The fact that "private" corporations took massive advantage of that is scarcely germane to your argument. The pipes, the streets, the circuits- these belong to NYC, not Time Warner or whomever, who were granted outrageous monopolies on no basis for mere cable TV alone in the 80's, not even metioning broadband Internet to come.
So what's your point, Quotidian? Please prove to me that NYC taxpayers didn't pay through the nose for conglomerates to profit off of. Please show me how it makes us a better society that conglomerates threaten to choke off Internet traffic for sites they deem objectionable.
Can't see your point here, private companies may have laid the pipe in NYC streets, but they do not own the civic , physical infrastructure of NYC. They have been the ones exploiting it for years, tax-free. And I'll repeat my claim: we in the US will become a third-rate country if broadband Internet acces is priced as a luxury item if telecoms have their way. When every other country in the world treats it properly as an essential utility, that benefits us all. The US is so pinched in its thinking here, trying to squeeze more pennies at maximim price. And now they want to stall and thwart sites that don't pay their blackmail?
Well God help us all. Corporations don't actually own NYC streets and infrastructure yet. But what embarrasssing retardation and dick capitalism is working against NYC being a proper world-class city these days. Ferociously dick cheapness, that the Internet is not widely accessible, on, and always. Bass ackwards. #glennbeck
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By your logic, we should give up on society, because no one is qualified to be running things. Your blind faith that as long as we ignore problems they will go away is disconcerting. What happened to the good ol' Steve Rogers/ John Wayne/ Teddy Roosevelt America that stared down its problems and beat them into submission? #glennbeck
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Also, Princess Daisy is better, and you were better when you were called Princess Toadstool. Argue that!
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Private business seldom hold that kind of power. #glennbeck
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PS: I hate that fucking blackboard that Beck uses. Like he's some esteemed professor trying to teach a bunch of ignoramuses something so complicated it couldn't be illustrated in one of the simple, digestible graphics Fox graphics department typically shits out. I imagine his empty-headed viewers sitting in front of their TVs with a notepad and printed-out wingnut lecture slides taking notes.
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No wonder they were such hyper weepy bitches about the (nonexistent threat of the) Fairness Doctrine being re-instated. It's sounding pretty good lately though. #glennbeck
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