No finance wizard here, but if I understand they were the only bank shorting the mortgage shit they were also hawking, so, if true, fuck you very much goldman suchs.
@RonnSicTorossian: It's called hedging. I'm no GS proponent, but it's a sound, if "unfair", market tactic based primarily on being smarter than the lowing, baa-ing hordes of traders.
It has to be said that, whatever responsibility GS and other financiers may have for lying, much of the general citizenry were all too happy to throw common sense to the wind and gobble up low-cost loans. I hope that today's difficulties will point us back to a few tired truisms (such as, "There's no such thing as a free lunch") and build up our skepticism for the next round.
@The Lone Scout: There's another truism, this one by HL Mencken. The thing about nobody ever going broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public? If we know people are stupid and live beyond their means and take up debt they can't pay back, then really the only solution is to, you know, maybe, uh. . . rules. . . that . . . prevent . . . companies . . . from . . . exploiting . . . stupidity.
@gawkimo: Mencken also commented, "Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but has it as many as government? Has it as many as marriage? Has it as many as religion? I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health and vigor." And I would rather that we all learn to protect ourselves than allow the Gummint to decide what we need protecting from.
@The Lone Scout: The problem is, of course, being mad that GS got away with what it did is in no way a condemnation of capitalism -- it's a condemnation of CRONY capitalism. CRONY, being the operand. And I don't think Mencken would have thought much of Goldman Sachs running the Treasury Department and letting its competitor go under before sending federal dollars to the rescue of some other enormous banks. Because you and I both know that giving taxpayer money to huge investment banks is not capitalism. (PS: Goldman Sachs paid back $10 billion. It got an additional $13 billion from AIG. So let's nip that one in the bud right now.)
There are no doubt a plethora of internal memos within these firms, written by the quants who built the models in question, that refer to the parameter and performance limitations that could be expected when using these models. Likely, the executives disregarded these limitations or pretended to understand what they were but really had no clue. This is where the congressional investigation should focus. Given the fact though that most Senators don’t even know what a VIP mortgage is even though they got one it is unlikely that they or their just out of college aids will look in that direction.
What about those" High frequency trading programs" that Goldman Sachs uses and help them making billions.Basically,it's a multidimentional uncontrolled V-back System where you can get flows that are occuring between any number of stocks that can cause the system to flow anywhere between 0 and Ø..The main issue is that they dont know « how bad » this model could be .
@Mohamed Ndiaye-Kingué: Now THAT is a good point. high-frequency trading is probably the third-dumbest idea on the street right now, which we'll all realize when a replicating algorithm goes berserk and trashes IBM or Dow or something.
From what I've heard about investment banks, the subject line on 95% of internal emails will contain the word 'bonus', eg how big is X's bonus, when am I getting my bonus, why my bonus is ludicrously inadequate considering the business I've generated compared to X, etc ad infinitum. And some lucky Senator's intern is probably going to get to read them all.
@Dally: No, no. No one's crass enough to put that into an email. That's what you TALK about; your emails look more like "intrn pls prnt/bind 30dcks 2nite come in tmmrw (sundy) by 10 thx. Sent from my AT&T Blackberry"
I can't believe you posted this. I was thinking the exact same thing this morning and wishing that I was an official Gawker writer so that I could start a thread about it. Thanks, CB!
If "cross the line" means penetration, then it's worth saying that Bill Clinton--whom Sanford strenuously denounced and called on to resign--did not "cross the line" with Monica Lewinsky. (I'm sure he crossed the line with scores of others, but not in the Oval Office.) This is a hypocrite of hippopotamic proportions.
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