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    Image of LUV_TRUK LUV_TRUK
    09/23/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    Some of my best friends are Chinamen!
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    09/23/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    I heard some Chinese nerds are making some iphone app called "Fat" with a Chinese person faking to speak with an American accent in Chinese. Instead of a fortune cookie, you get a big mac. Yikes.
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    Image of CaptainFantastic CaptainFantastic
    09/23/09

    @jplaid: I'd buy that!
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    Image of psybab psybab
    09/22/09

    In reply to Everything Annoying in the Universe in One iPhone App
    A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Douchebaggery
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    09/23/09

    @psybab: +1
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    Image of native_67 native_67
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    Is this really the state of hyper-sensitivity to which our society has come? Some guy gets an idea for a harmless app and takes a shot at doing voiceover with a Chinese accent and all hell breaks loose. Being of Native American decent, I could find offense in things far more disturbing than this -- as they pertain to my heritage -- if I felt the need to scream "racism" at every perceived slight perpetrated on my culture. The reality is we live in a world where everyone is different. Why is so much effort put into condemning anything that highlights those differences? I could understand the outrage if there was a blatant effort to intentionally demean another culture, but it's obvious no slight was intended by the developer. If the intent was to be racist, I can think of several more creative names for the app than Lucky Fortune. Read what the developer said in the letter above. It's supposed to be fun and inject a little levity and maybe inspiration into our lives -- which some of you could obviously use. I'm guessing, most of the outraged posters haven't even looked at the app for themselves. I went ahead and spent the 99 cents to check it out before passing judgement. To me it was worth the expense to at least have an informed opinion.
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    Image of The Fake Santa Claus The Fake Santa Claus
    09/23/09

    @native_67: I don't find caricatures and dated stereotypes of one's ethnic background "inspiring." The base idea of this app is harmless, but the "Chinese music jingle" and the "wise Chinese man" voice (as described at the app store in iTunes) kills it. It's a typical, passive-aggressive, casual ignorance towards the respect of real Chinese culture and the Chinese-American experience. Tailor made for the kind of mindset that thinks hearing a gong every time an Asian person walks into a room is funny.
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    Image of hilikusopus hilikusopus
    09/23/09

    @The Fake Santa Claus: What exactly was negative about the app? Should the creator have maybe used an atypical Chinese-American voiceover, say, a California valley-girl accent to pay homage to the Chinese immigrants who came to California during the 1800s in search of railroad work? Would it have been racist to use a sample of Yo-yo Ma, or is that too stereotypical in some way?

    "It's a typical, passive-aggressive, casual ignorance towards the respect of real Chinese culture...."

    Why must this one thing be about a deep seated respect for culture, and not about a fortune cookie gag -- fortune cookies aren't even Chinese? Could we pay too much respect to real Chinese culture -- for example, the Cultural Revolution, foot binding, one-child policy, censorship, China's treatment of Tibet or Vietnam?
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    Edited by hilikusopus at 09/23/09 9:51 AM hilikusopus was starred hilikusopus was unstarred
    Image of The Fake Santa Claus The Fake Santa Claus
    09/23/09

    @hilikusopus: Why couldn't the voiceover have been of someone who just talks straight up instead of a juvenile, low-impact racist affectation of what a "wise Chinese man" is supposed to sound like? Why couldn't the music background have been of something authentic and classical using liuqin and dizi instead of a tired-assed, stereotypical "Chinese music jingle?" It's a lazy, disposable, laugh-now-think-later, frat boy beer bar approach to defining ethnic "culture" as dictated by someone who isn't a part of that and thinks certain icons like cheongsams and chopsticks are all you'll ever need to say, "Now THAT'S Asian!"

    It's like when you watch a Yankee game and Hideki Matsui steps up to bat and strikes out. Depending on where you are or the company around you, out come the samurai impressions and the bad pidgin english. "Ooooaaaaaa. I stlike out! I must commit halakili!" Hilarity ensues. It's all in good-natured, harmless, jokesy fun of people of a different ethnic background and culture who talk funny. This app is made for that crowd. No, it doesn't mean we should all go out and do a march on Washington or whatever. But let's call out laziness for what it is instead of giving it a pass.
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    Image of hilikusopus hilikusopus
    09/23/09

    @The Fake Santa Claus: Okay. I think you're mischaracterizing how this app, and the people who do not take offense with it, fits into the larger picture of racism in America. I'm a little disappointed that you chose not to address any of the questions I posed. We can agree that racism, ignorance, and zenophobia are problems but it may be a matter of taste when it comes to how you and I and others feel about something like this. To me, there is nothing inherently racist about a Chinese voice and that stupid song. It's just what you said it is: a useless, harmless, juvenile gag. I challenge you to name one negative stereotype (or a positive one, for that matter) that this application reinforces.
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    celery promoted this comment hilikusopus was starred hilikusopus was unstarred
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    09/23/09

    @hilikusopus: I think you're being purposely dense here. This is not a Chinese voice. This a caricature of a Chinese voice. It has the same effect as any other offensive stereotype: to reinforce that a group of people are different, their differences make them inferior, and that their inferiority is worthy of derision.

    No one busts out this kind of Chinese accent in an effort to accurately represent Chinese people; at best, they do it for cheap laughs at the expense of the Chinese, at worst, it's a product of real xenophobia.

    As people have said, this is far from the most offensive app in the world, but I wouldn't bother trying to defend it.

    As for the song, I think that's fallen out of favor more for the company it keeps. You could make an argument that it marginalizes thousands of years of Chinese musical tradition, but like I said, why bother?
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    Image of hilikusopus hilikusopus
    09/23/09

    @celery: By the same token, "Chinese" fortune cookies are racist: they were never a part of real Chinese culture, since they're an American invention, but they reinforce the stereotype that the Chinese are steeped in mysticism and irrational behavior, as well as the "wise Chinaman" stereotype, as Ryan Tate put it. But it's just a cookie with a stupid fun fortune stuck in it.

    The argument that things like this are symptomatic of systemic racism is not entirely lost on me but, like you said, why bother? Pick your battles. I would further argue hyper political correctness is the other side of the close-minded coin: a quickness to judge the moral character of somebody based on this garbage app or anything else can be just as detrimental to a productive discussion about racism.

    At bottom, it seems to me that, while the criticism of this thing is justifiable at some level, it's mostly the object of misplaced scorn for real racism -- the thing becomes racism incarnate for some people: "I really hate racism, this thing seems like it has racial overtones, this thing is really racist and I hate it." It's understandable to me, I just think it's a somewhat misplaced. If we were talking about, say, a Congressman making a deplorable racist comment, or the "Obama's a muslim" nonsense, I'd be right there with you.
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    Edited by hilikusopus at 09/23/09 10:10 PM hilikusopus was starred hilikusopus was unstarred
    Image of 1Lmonster 1Lmonster
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    they dont even have fortune cookies in china...who cares?
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    Image of birthdaycake birthdaycake
    09/23/09

    @1Lmonster: those things are pretty nasty. who actually EATS fortune cookies?
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    CaptainFantastic promoted this comment birthdaycake was starred birthdaycake was unstarred
    Image of CaptainFantastic CaptainFantastic
    09/23/09

    @birthdaycake: Some of them actually taste good.
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    Image of nathanieljames nathanieljames
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    This app isn't going to change the fact that I, an Asian, will continue to make fun of people of all races...and the people who would allow such a shoddily executed app to exist on their personal phone.
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    CaptainFantastic promoted this comment blix approved this comment nathanieljames was starred nathanieljames was unstarred
    Image of J. Frank Parnell J. Frank Parnell
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    So, my software development team has the green light for the "Covetous Jew Precise Tip Calculator" and the "Mexican Border Hopper Job Finder" apps?
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    Smitros promoted this comment J. Frank Parnell was starred J. Frank Parnell was unstarred
    Image of J. Frank Parnell J. Frank Parnell
    09/22/09

    @J. Frank Parnell: How about the "White Dude Penis Measurer"?
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    Image of The Fake Santa Claus The Fake Santa Claus
    09/22/09

    @J. Frank Parnell: Don't forget about the Ebonic/Jive Translator with choice of "authentic" BlackPersonVoice® in male or female by either Samuel L. Jackson or Mo'Nique!
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    tigolbitties promoted this comment The Fake Santa Claus was starred The Fake Santa Claus was unstarred
    Image of Smitros Smitros
    09/22/09

    @J. Frank Parnell:
    I believe those must wait behind (!) the "Greek" app, as it were.
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    Image of PattiF PattiF
    09/22/09

    In reply to Everything Annoying in the Universe in One iPhone App
    I hate it when people do things.
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    Chamalla, now gainfully employed promoted this comment PattiF was starred PattiF was unstarred
    Image of badasscat badasscat
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    Ok, I have no experience at all with this app, but as the husband of a Japanese woman, I will say that it's true that at least Japanese (and no, they are not the same as Chinese, though they are the same race) do often see things as funny that make me cringe, and they wonder why I get so bent out of shape about these things. Meanwhile I'm so worried my wife and her friends are going to be offended that I fail to see the humor myself that they obviously do.

    Now, maybe this app just isn't all that funny, whether it's racist or not. And that would make it even harder to distract from the elements that make us uncomfortable. But over the years I've gotten the sense that maybe we actually are a little over-sensitive towards this kind of thing sometimes.
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    Image of SpyMagician SpyMagician
    09/22/09

    @badasscat: Maybe it's because Americans and other westerners have a deep history of racism against other groups that we are slowly overcoming but to believe these issues are gone is to be delusional.
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    Image of Motoko Kusanagi Motoko Kusanagi
    09/23/09

    @SpyMagician: It's also because Asian people are often openly racist against other Asians.

    Also, the fortune cookie is a Japanese invention.
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    Image of Drunken Economist Drunken Economist
    09/22/09

    In reply to Everything Annoying in the Universe in One iPhone App
    Re; The last two, I'm trying to remember the iPhone reading apps that used to do that before the devs 'fixed those bugs.'

    Stanza? Kindle? Oh well, you steal old stale or even sample code, you get what you pay for.
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    Image of olafhumbert olafhumbert
    09/22/09

    In reply to Everything Annoying in the Universe in One iPhone App
    App of the future: For $6, a the McSweeney's author of your choice will come to your kid's party and make balloon animals and/or blurb your unpublished novel.
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    Julia Allison promoted this comment olafhumbert was starred olafhumbert was unstarred
    Image of Julia Allison Julia Allison
    09/22/09

    @olafhumbert: HA
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    Image of random_play random_play
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    They could have avoided this whole controversy by the simple expedient of turning Japanese. And traveling back in time to 1980, when you could get away with stuff like this.
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    Image of NigelAstydameia NigelAstydameia
    09/22/09

    In reply to Chinese People Loved Ching-Chong iPhone App, Says Programmer
    Lay off! Rosie needs the work!
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    Image of NigelAstydameia NigelAstydameia
    09/22/09

    In reply to Everything Annoying in the Universe in One iPhone App
    "a half year of surprises, delivered straight to your pocket."

    Personally, I'd rather be surprised by finding the six bucks in my pocket.
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