Meanwhile, up in Canuckistan, welfare recipients are allowed to put taxpayer money towards "self-help" courses at the Landmark Forum. I know a woman who's been doing this for years and the only thing they've helped her to do is work harder for Landmark for free.
How is the allowance of the compiling of monster estates and grand fortunes without tithing a farthing to the gumint not "respecting the religious establishment"? Does that mean the gumint disrespects us taxpayers?
Sorry, ACORN -- you're shady, and you've been busted. Whining that you were recorded without your knowledge as you encouraged people to break the law is just pathetic.
As a lifelong liberal Democrat, who worked for many, many years in the non-profit world, it infuriates me that organizations like this make the whole sector look bad. Most do excellent, important work helping real people who desperately need assistance. Shame on the staffers at ACORN.
Oh, is that it? Prostitution enabling ways is it? What a load of horse shit. You liberals are the scum of the earth. But listen, it's just whistle blowing, and isn't that what Mr. Obama wants? LOL. You elected him. God help us, we can all get by for the next 3 years without completely ruining this country.
Worth noting is that technically, Acorn's suing "because Maryland law requires the consent of both parties to record private conversations," AP reports. How that effects more mainstream media there I do not know. But in this case, it occasions a wonderful quote from an Acorn attorney: "While everyone, including them, agrees that some of the things they said were dumb, in Maryland we have a right to say dumb things in the privacy of our homes and offices without fear of being taped and without fear of being splashed all over the Internet."
How much does ACORN help poor people if it provides tax preparation advice and loans to pimps, who help destroy communities? Do you make the connection that helping to establish a brothel perpetuates poverty by promulgating the abuse of females and acting as fertile ground for hardcore substance abuse? This is where urban rot comes from, this is how it happens in plain sight.
@Unsolicited Advice: Yes, because two people in ONE office made a mistake, let's take down the whole organization. Do you make a connection between KBR's obscene profits during the Iraq War and Dick Cheney? Didn't think so...once again, it's OK if you're a Republican. I call BS...
Defense contractors acting on the behest of the US Government and a community organization/NPO receiving Federal funding are not analagous entities. Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq War, they did not commit analagous crimes. That said, I would have every expectation that the Federal Government review third parties that it provides funding to for impropriety and take appropriate action when illegal or questionable activities - like ACORN was caught on camera engaging in - are alleged.
@alboy2: And it seems to be a large organization -- maybe too large -- with its heart in the right place, even if some members have their heads up their asses. [topics.nytimes.com]
@Unsolicited Advice: Before we get all apocalyptic, lets remember that no pimps, whores or brothels were actually facilitated in the making of this movie. Maybe this will spark a criminal investigation by police or IRS, and we'll find out Acorn has done this sort of thing for real, but right now all we have is a handful of idiots talking to each other.
@Unsolicited Advice: "Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq War, they did not commit analagous crimes." You're right, because corruption, fraud, murder and sexual assault are all worse than getting caught on camera giving fake advice to an obviously FAKE pimp and prostitute. I'm not holding out hope that KBR/Lockheed Martin/Xe are going to be defunded anytime soon but ACORN should not be completely de-funded for a few bad apples (who have been fired anyway) when these companies continue to thrive and profit off of war while the their employees actively cover their crimes and the government rewards them for it.
there are bigger fish to fry. Or, nuts. There are bigger nuts to crack. Whatever.
"The Army's Criminal Investigations Command...said in February that it had 90 criminal investigations under way related to alleged contract fraud in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Two dozen U.S. citizens had been charged or indicted.
@Nic Fit: While this is the splashy publicity stunt that got everyone to pay attention, plenty of people with purer motives have been arguing against ACORN for some time, including former ACORN leaders. They were always going to be a target of conservatives because they helped bring predominantly democratic voters to the polls; allowing this to happen anyway shows just how careless they were, and how much damage to their own cause they allowed themselves to do. The tragedy is that there are plenty of good people and causes discredited by association with a corrupt group that didn't live up to its ideals.
Also, seriously? They made a mistake? Telling someone there are 31 days in September is a mistake. Leaving a left turn out of directions is a mistake. Providing instructions on how to secure federal funding to finance criminal activity is not a mistake. It is illegal. Very clearly illegal, too...not even one of those gray areas.
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As a lifelong liberal Democrat, who worked for many, many years in the non-profit world, it infuriates me that organizations like this make the whole sector look bad. Most do excellent, important work helping real people who desperately need assistance. Shame on the staffers at ACORN.
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What, did he save the costume from the Pimps 'n' Ho's parties he threw in college?
Fucking racists.
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How much does ACORN help poor people if it provides tax preparation advice and loans to pimps, who help destroy communities? Do you make the connection that helping to establish a brothel perpetuates poverty by promulgating the abuse of females and acting as fertile ground for hardcore substance abuse? This is where urban rot comes from, this is how it happens in plain sight.
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Defense contractors acting on the behest of the US Government and a community organization/NPO receiving Federal funding are not analagous entities. Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq War, they did not commit analagous crimes. That said, I would have every expectation that the Federal Government review third parties that it provides funding to for impropriety and take appropriate action when illegal or questionable activities - like ACORN was caught on camera engaging in - are alleged.
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@Unsolicited Advice: Before we get all apocalyptic, lets remember that no pimps, whores or brothels were actually facilitated in the making of this movie. Maybe this will spark a criminal investigation by police or IRS, and we'll find out Acorn has done this sort of thing for real, but right now all we have is a handful of idiots talking to each other.
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there are bigger fish to fry. Or, nuts. There are bigger nuts to crack. Whatever.
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"The Army's Criminal Investigations Command...said in February that it had 90 criminal investigations under way related to alleged contract fraud in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Two dozen U.S. citizens had been charged or indicted.
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Those guys are getting investigated and busted. The ACORN guys will too. I don't see the double standard.
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[www.acorn-8.net]
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Also, seriously? They made a mistake? Telling someone there are 31 days in September is a mistake. Leaving a left turn out of directions is a mistake. Providing instructions on how to secure federal funding to finance criminal activity is not a mistake. It is illegal. Very clearly illegal, too...not even one of those gray areas.
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