"Thank God for food stamps ... We needed them, we were so poor. With food stamps, Divine had a fabulous party, and Mink made a steak. Divine cried. He hadn't seen a steak in so long!" — John Waters, on being a poor back in the day, availing himself of the welfare state.
I will look into this. I haven't been working in a while, and $200 would go a long way at Trader Joe's. Ain't no shame!
My roommate lied to get foodstamps last year (ie, she was still a legal dependent of her parents). And spent several hundred dollars on tattoos during this time. And bragged about manipulating the system.
Also, she's going into social work. Shouldn't she be the person lamenting the abuse of the system?
My other roommate and I used to plot ways to report her to the feds when she pissed us off. Handy note: Once you get over $100 of fraudulent food stamps it's a felony. #jschool
It makes me sad that this is probably more practical advice on how to survive in the field of journalism than any career counseling the graduate program offered. #jschool
I joined Americorps after college. During the orientation session we all had to attend at the beginning, the facilitators encouraged us to apply for food stamps. There was a session that involved them walking us through the application process and giving us tips on how to apply to live in low income housing.
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that my volunteer stipend was more than $450 a month. #jschool
@morninggloria: How shocking! An organization encourages its volunteers to take advantage of the very programs the public has set up as a last-resort safety net for the very same less fortunate people who said organization seeks to benefit, possibly under less-than-honest auspices?
It's almost enough for one to despair of the entire welfare system. Almost. #jschool
@TheHonJudgeSmails: It struck me as especially fucked up because most of us were at the point in our lives where we could call mom and dad and have them dump an emergency $100 into our bank accounts, or had grandparents who would send us checks for no reason. I was uncomfortable accepting that sort of aid because I always viewed it as something for use by people who don't have that sort of family support. #jschool
@morninggloria: That may be true, but some of us receiving food stamp assistance may be past the age of asking our parents for cash. Our parents may not HAVE the cash, or they may be deceased.
Further, apparently it's okay for taxpayers to provide government assistance to thousands of Walmart employees who are so poorly paid that they're eligible for a plethora of government programs, hence the reason why I see nothing wrong with AmeriCorps personnel accepting government assistance, especially given the pittance they're paid. #jschool
Note that unemployment assistance for most white collar folks is $1620 a month - just a wee bit too much to qualify.
Note also that the program is based on income per household, not on how much your degree cost or what it might be worth someday. Frankly, I'd rather see qualified people using this resource than starving to death in the streets, but then, I'm not a Republitard.
For every so-called "welfare queen" milking the system, there's a gay kid who got thrown out of his house, or a single mom, or a laid off blue collar guy with a kid to feed. Their survival choices are strictly limited to either public assistance or crime. (Yes, some choose both. Not the point.)
Those who object may pick up some Charles Dickens to remind them of what the good ol' days were like. #jschool
@BettyCrocker: But couldn't the point be made, here, that... rather than go $100,000 in debt in order to pursue a degree that probably doesn't improve your odds at obtaining gainful employment... one could maybe stop pursuing that degree and eat without relying on public assistance?
@TheHonJudgeSmails: It can. But the debt is one's own and can't be discharged by any method other than payment or other public service by the debtor (military, etc.).
One can't know in advance if there will be a glut of lawyers, doctors, librarians or research assistants when one happens to graduate, and one shouldn't have to speculate on that when pursuing an education in a field where one has proficiency and interest.
By your logic - and you know I love ya - students who aspire to certain fields should make their educational pursuits a strictly economic exercise.
Based on the number of self-entitled, moronic, wealthy jackasses who went to law school with me solely because Mommy and Daddy wanted to be able to say "My son, the lawyah...", I think that all professions are ill-served by that exercise. #jschool
@TheHonJudgeSmails: Even if you disregard the massive debt, the guy's income as a writer is still low enough to qualify for the stamps. At any rate, you can't run society based on the idea that humans will make the correct life choices 100% of the time, and requiring proof of 100% correct life choices in order to qualify for food stamps probably defeats the purpose: to help people whose choices have not worked out for the best. #jschool
Students at the seminary I graduated from would do this while in school. You could also get subsidized health insurance, including vision, through the city of NY. It drove the admissions director crazy. Note to students trying this at home: time your application process so that it doesn't hit at loan disbursement day. A few folks lost their benefits because they happened to have $5,000 of the school's money sitting in their accounts temporarily. #jschool
Could not agree more - unfortunately, the process is phenomenally complicated. Prior to those 7 hours, he had to navigate the NYC site and pre-qualify, fill out loads of paperwork, and THEN go wait on line. Which, if you're in grad school, is inconvenient but not impossible. However, if you are under-educated, have no internet access, and don't understand what you're being asked, it's hopeless. #jschool
@ljnd2: True story: When I was on welfare, none of the caseworkers had phones. However, you could call a main number and leave a voicemail in a general mailbox (that served *all* caseworkers in the office, so you can imagine how likely it was anyone would get your message). The kicker? You could only leave a message if you agreed to a 50 cent charge on your phone bill.
@baconismyaesthetic: See, that's the thing. If you are poor, and you are trying to get anywhere (i.e. not be poor), they get you in a million different ways. I am sick of hearing about "self reliance" and people not wanting to "subsidize" other people. You get a person away from their bank account, credit cards, and ability to easily pay bills (which is happening more and more thanks to foreclosures, medical emergencies, and other personal finance catastrophes), and existing - just simply existing - becomes very, very hard. #jschool
@ljnd2: I would agree with you even if I hadn't been through it. And I'll be honest--I don't mind "subsidizing" things that take care of people, even knowing that sometimes there is fraud or a situation like the one described in this story, which doesn't seem very kosher. My taxes go to so many depressing things I hate, I feel good that my taxes also go towards good things like supporting the struggling, building roads, public education, etc. #jschool
"It is unfair and terrifying that a fellow student, with a degree supposedly worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, has to get by on food stamps that he waited seven hours in line just to apply for."
Don't I, as the taxpayer who will be feeding Mr. McLendon, have the right to show up to NYU and shake him until he decides to get a degree that will feed him? I'm all for following your dreams and shit until it involves my money being transferred to you. I make money that can be used to pay taxes to feed this guy because I stuffed those dreams good and deep with my dignity and happiness. #jschool
@Unsolicited Advice: What degree do you think that is right now? Just asking due to the number of law students, economists, and science-field kids I know who are jobless right now. Thanks in advance for the definition, Prince Charming. #jschool
@Unsolicited Advice: I'd rather subsidize a real news journalist than benefit from the taxes paid by pundits and talking heads who spread misinformation and put entertainment before news.
If you're getting a graduate degree in Journalism, you're jobless by choice. If you've got one in economics, law, etc. you're jobless because you're unfortunate. #jschool
@Unsolicited Advice: If you think it's your right to shake the people who benefit from the many various forms of Govt. assistance because you don't agree with their life choices... well, more power to you, I suppose. I hope you have a lot of spare time and some strong shaking muscles.
I figure after a while you'll give up and arrive at the same conclusion as the rest of us--that your tax dollars are going to go somewhere, and ensuring that people who earn less than $14,000/year (!) in New York City (!!) don't literally starve to death on the streets is as good a place for that money to go as any. What's that old line? Death and taxes? At least in this case the former can forestall the latter. #jschool
The broader point is that this is a capacity utilization problem. These kids are being told they can be whatever they want, and encouraged to take unholy amounts of debt by a system that makes it available with almost no qualification. That's a terrible system. My taxes are creating dual bad incentives - cheap student loan debt to fund worthless degrees and then foodstamps to feed these kids.
Graduate journalism school is a breadline factory. I'd like to stop participating in its operation. #jschool
Government has artificially removed the cash barrier to higher education. The result? Acres of debt, tons of worthless degrees, and no economic results to show for it.
Broad student loan subsidization was a gamble on America's youth that didn't pay. #jschool
@Unsolicited Advice: But it has greatly expanded the proportion of Americans who can say on a survey that they hold an advanced degree! This is an unquestionably good thing! Right? Education is good!
@Unsolicited Advice: I like your point. I'm making more than I've ever made right now and I don't have a degree. I'm a self taught Systems Engineer whose parents made too much for me to get Grants and yet not enough to put through any school. I guess I'm lucky I found homework, quizes and standardized tests bothersome. I didn't have the patience to sit through another lecture on subjects I could learn without having to dole out my time and cash. Score one for the underachievers !! #jschool
We need to redefine "achievement." Going to school and getting a degree is not a guarantee or talisman of success. And it shouldn't be blindly encouraged to the point where we're manufacturing large quantities of debt-laden kids without any useful skills. Like master-level Journalists. #jschool
@Unsolicited Advice: I agree with most all of that right up until "dual incentives." Do you really think the availability of food stamps for the seriously poor is an incentive to go to grad school? Nobody wants to have to use food stamps. If you even qualify, your life already sucks. I don't know if you live in New York or not, but in this city $14k/year is completely unlivable. Food stamps are a relatively inexpensive thing for the rest of us to subsidize and they make a huge difference to those that need them.* They are not, however, something that prospective grad students look forward to using in order to game the system.
*Also, they are a pretty efficient little stimulus package since that money gets spent fast, whereas regular tax rebates can go straight to the ol' savings account/mattress/whatever. #jschool
I'm in favor of the food stamps - starvation is unconscionable. I'm not in favor of the education subsidies that create reliance on them. Feed the poor; just don't give 'em a BA in English and 60K in debt too. #jschool
@Unsolicited Advice: Yup. I think the blind encouragement to pursue university degrees is harmful. More kids should be encouraged to learn a skilled trade--the work is often physically demanding, but unions still ensure good wages and benefits in many of these professions. Often, I've noticed that skilled tradespeople come out ahead--they were able to learn on the job while avoiding student debt, and they are virtually guaranteed work for as long as they want it. We're always going to need plumbers and electricians, folks. #jschool
@fuckingoldman: Trades do pretty well, too. Some trades bring in more money than 'professional' jobs. Average wage for electricians in 2008: $49,890. Mechanics: $42,719. Plant Manager: $81,000. #jschool
More than 6 $1 burgers per day! So much Ramen you could ship half of it off to actual starving people and still eat enough to cause a big tummy ache. #jschool
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I will look into this. I haven't been working in a while, and $200 would go a long way at Trader Joe's. Ain't no shame!
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Also, she's going into social work. Shouldn't she be the person lamenting the abuse of the system?
My other roommate and I used to plot ways to report her to the feds when she pissed us off. Handy note: Once you get over $100 of fraudulent food stamps it's a felony. #jschool
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Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that my volunteer stipend was more than $450 a month. #jschool
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It's almost enough for one to despair of the entire welfare system. Almost. #jschool
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Further, apparently it's okay for taxpayers to provide government assistance to thousands of Walmart employees who are so poorly paid that they're eligible for a plethora of government programs, hence the reason why I see nothing wrong with AmeriCorps personnel accepting government assistance, especially given the pittance they're paid. #jschool
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Note also that the program is based on income per household, not on how much your degree cost or what it might be worth someday. Frankly, I'd rather see qualified people using this resource than starving to death in the streets, but then, I'm not a Republitard.
For every so-called "welfare queen" milking the system, there's a gay kid who got thrown out of his house, or a single mom, or a laid off blue collar guy with a kid to feed. Their survival choices are strictly limited to either public assistance or crime. (Yes, some choose both. Not the point.)
Those who object may pick up some Charles Dickens to remind them of what the good ol' days were like. #jschool
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One can't know in advance if there will be a glut of lawyers, doctors, librarians or research assistants when one happens to graduate, and one shouldn't have to speculate on that when pursuing an education in a field where one has proficiency and interest.
By your logic - and you know I love ya - students who aspire to certain fields should make their educational pursuits a strictly economic exercise.
Based on the number of self-entitled, moronic, wealthy jackasses who went to law school with me solely because Mommy and Daddy wanted to be able to say "My son, the lawyah...", I think that all professions are ill-served by that exercise. #jschool
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Terrifying? Yes. Unfair? How? #jschool
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If you're getting a graduate degree in Journalism, you're jobless by choice. If you've got one in economics, law, etc. you're jobless because you're unfortunate. #jschool
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I figure after a while you'll give up and arrive at the same conclusion as the rest of us--that your tax dollars are going to go somewhere, and ensuring that people who earn less than $14,000/year (!) in New York City (!!) don't literally starve to death on the streets is as good a place for that money to go as any. What's that old line? Death and taxes? At least in this case the former can forestall the latter. #jschool
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The broader point is that this is a capacity utilization problem. These kids are being told they can be whatever they want, and encouraged to take unholy amounts of debt by a system that makes it available with almost no qualification. That's a terrible system. My taxes are creating dual bad incentives - cheap student loan debt to fund worthless degrees and then foodstamps to feed these kids.
Graduate journalism school is a breadline factory. I'd like to stop participating in its operation. #jschool
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Hint: these things are related.
Government has artificially removed the cash barrier to higher education. The result? Acres of debt, tons of worthless degrees, and no economic results to show for it.
Broad student loan subsidization was a gamble on America's youth that didn't pay. #jschool
10/19/09
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We need to redefine "achievement." Going to school and getting a degree is not a guarantee or talisman of success. And it shouldn't be blindly encouraged to the point where we're manufacturing large quantities of debt-laden kids without any useful skills. Like master-level Journalists. #jschool
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*Also, they are a pretty efficient little stimulus package since that money gets spent fast, whereas regular tax rebates can go straight to the ol' savings account/mattress/whatever. #jschool
10/19/09
I'm in favor of the food stamps - starvation is unconscionable. I'm not in favor of the education subsidies that create reliance on them. Feed the poor; just don't give 'em a BA in English and 60K in debt too. #jschool
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