"[If Bustamanate is convicted] of first-degree murder, it's still possible she will end up in the care of the state Division of Youth Services.
"That's because Missouri is one of 22 states to have what is called a 'dual jurisdiction' system. Under state law, if Bustamante was found guilty, a judge could consider keeping her under the care of the juvenile system — which is heavy on rehabilitation — until she is 21. At that point, another hearing would be held to determine if she was ready to be released, or sent to adult prison for the remainder of her sentence."
Basically, despite being charged as an adult, she could still only serve a minor's sentence.
People who are pro-rehabilitation can cite that "of the 46 juveniles who have completed the state's rehabilitation program as part of a dual jurisdiction sentence, only 10 have ended up going back to prison, said Heberle. That's nearly an 80 percent success rate, which is much higher than traditional corrections programs."
People on the opposing side can cite that of those 46 juveniles, only 5 have ever been girls, 1 of which has re-offended, and none were charged with first-degree murder, though the system has worked for boys of similar background.
Given her background, I think she's most likely to commit suicide before anyone has a chance to figure out what to do with her.
@Poop Cooper: Sounds something like Canada's system. That sure is an impressive success rate; there's only one program I've heard of here that approaches that rate for violent offenders, and it's restricted to Aboriginal participants.
@Poop Cooper: Yes, but of those 46 juveniles, how many were convicted of manslaughter vs. just being a douchebag arsonist/troublemaker? That makes a difference.
@raincoaster: Thank you. I was getting so annoyed in general with people acting as if this story was something new. I wish it was. It is not - not by a long shot.
@raincoaster: Actually, in the scheme of things, female juvenile murderer numbers are rather low when compared to male juvenile murderers. And I expect when the type of murder is taken into account (meaning premeditated, seemingly motive-less, and non-firearm-related), you could probably count the annual female offenders on two hands. The latest numbers I could find were from 2006: that year, about 7% of known juvenile murderers were female (88 out of 1253) ([ojjdp.ncjrs.org]).
Actually--I just found this website where you can search very specific crime-related terms. It appears that in 2006, 47 non-firearm-related murders were committed by females under the age of 17: [ojjdp.ncjrs.gov] That's compared to 305 committed by juvenile males. So about 13% of non-firearm-related (and, in my mind, far more personal and brutal) murders in 2006 were committed by juvenile females.
@mimilove: Thank you, yes. I know that (well, not the specific integers, but the trends, yes). What I'm trying to show is that this is such an unthinkable occurrence that, although it does occur with some regularity and predictability, the collective memory blocks it out.
Females, by the way, are far more likely to be poisoners. So think of that the next time you ask some pissed-off woman to make you a sandwich.
Azaria, people have been doing stuff like this with really interesting cases - like this one - for years now, including the crowd-sourcing part of it. The preserving of the "evidence" is nothing new, and it's ridiculously easy to do.
Neither is the level of psycho this kid shows. A Google search for ya - Sarah Kolb was at this game years ago:
"Utterly immersed in the cable-news frivolity he affects to disdain"??? Oh puh-leze, Obama doesn't watch that crap, but he does have two MTV-aged daughters. Obama knowing who Kanye West is and what he did at the VMAs only demonstrates that he's a good dad.
@misslinda:
Or that he knows who Kanye West is and like everyone else, reads or watches a bit of pop culture, too. Guy's not that old, you know. Some of us with kids also know what's going on.
@no I said no I won't no: the earlier part of the tape was him talking explicitly about watching it with his daughters, they were the subject of the original question.
@onebadclam: Yea if President Obama can point out when a Black person acts stupidly then of course his views on health care is right on point too. *roll eyes*
@CLY: Don't roll your eyes at me, mister. Kanye being a jackass transcends race. Thanks for bringing race into an otherwise race-free thread, by the way. Classy.
@Cynical Media Bitch: correct, everybody wins. Everything is on the record too. Obama gets his street/tween cred, yes, and Kanye totes wins--a little brotherly hazing from the Prez--how cool is that? C'mon. Kanye himself was contrite in spades; he had it coming. It didn't even seem like a pre-planned stunt to me. Kanye's stock in trade is shock and awe, or he's got a wire loose in his brain, not sure which.
If Cheney can say "go fuck yourself" then everything else will pale in comparison. It made him an outlaw, did it not? Obama and Kanye are both outlaws now for the mutual association.
Our Beltway media gossip girls at work: posting tattle-tales about trivia, the oops! erasing it, knowing full well it will get out there. So cutesy, so tee-hee. Ben Smith probably has a Hello Kitty sticker on his cheap Dell laptop, and finds RPattz dreamy!1!. Ugh.
@Baroness: Unless I'm grossly mistaken, "taking it down" doesn't actually prevent you from getting sued.
And neither does it repair your reputation after the unauthorized release. Although on the other hand, this release is amazing for Obama, so there's no way they'd sue over this. This just gained him 5% more approval in America.
@Baroness: Exactly. It makes the media in the room look like 12 year old girls. I guess Obama should just assume everything is on the record now. I'm not sure if that's better or worse for the way in which he interacts with the media.
@Pope John Peeps II: I am so not a lawyer, but my understanding of the DMCA's "safe harbor" provisions is that a consistent takedown policy is indeed an affirmative defense.
Here's a story about a recent ruling that went in favor of Veoh: [www.wired.com]
I doubt Obama or the WH filed the complaint; as noted above, it was more likely NBC/Universal.
This is just dumb. Obama is a guy who is aware of pop culture. He's also the president. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and to tell you the truth, probably shouldn't be anymore. Why is this such a big deal? Literally everyone thinks Kanye is a jackass.
@Thomas Paladino: That's why it's a no-lose situation for all the players: Obama gets the street cred, NBC protects its copyright, and Politico gets a few extra clicks along the way.
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"[If Bustamanate is convicted] of first-degree murder, it's still possible she will end up in the care of the state Division of Youth Services.
"That's because Missouri is one of 22 states to have what is called a 'dual jurisdiction' system. Under state law, if Bustamante was found guilty, a judge could consider keeping her under the care of the juvenile system — which is heavy on rehabilitation — until she is 21. At that point, another hearing would be held to determine if she was ready to be released, or sent to adult prison for the remainder of her sentence."
Basically, despite being charged as an adult, she could still only serve a minor's sentence.
People who are pro-rehabilitation can cite that "of the 46 juveniles who have completed the state's rehabilitation program as part of a dual jurisdiction sentence, only 10 have ended up going back to prison, said Heberle. That's nearly an 80 percent success rate, which is much higher than traditional corrections programs."
People on the opposing side can cite that of those 46 juveniles, only 5 have ever been girls, 1 of which has re-offended, and none were charged with first-degree murder, though the system has worked for boys of similar background.
Given her background, I think she's most likely to commit suicide before anyone has a chance to figure out what to do with her.
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[www.trutv.com]
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[www.cbc.ca]
This 15-year-old girl , charged with murdering a 78-year old man :
[network.nationalpost.com]
Or the Reena Virk swarming case:
[www.cbc.ca]
And that's just Canada, which had a total murder count of 594 in 2007.
It's not rare. It's just rare that there's one so well-documented.
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@raincoaster: Actually, in the scheme of things, female juvenile murderer numbers are rather low when compared to male juvenile murderers. And I expect when the type of murder is taken into account (meaning premeditated, seemingly motive-less, and non-firearm-related), you could probably count the annual female offenders on two hands. The latest numbers I could find were from 2006: that year, about 7% of known juvenile murderers were female (88 out of 1253) ([ojjdp.ncjrs.org]).
Actually--I just found this website where you can search very specific crime-related terms. It appears that in 2006, 47 non-firearm-related murders were committed by females under the age of 17: [ojjdp.ncjrs.gov] That's compared to 305 committed by juvenile males. So about 13% of non-firearm-related (and, in my mind, far more personal and brutal) murders in 2006 were committed by juvenile females.
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Females, by the way, are far more likely to be poisoners. So think of that the next time you ask some pissed-off woman to make you a sandwich.
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Neither is the level of psycho this kid shows. A Google search for ya - Sarah Kolb was at this game years ago:
[www.google.com]
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Or that he knows who Kanye West is and like everyone else, reads or watches a bit of pop culture, too. Guy's not that old, you know. Some of us with kids also know what's going on.
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And don't worry I have medical insurance.
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If Cheney can say "go fuck yourself" then everything else will pale in comparison. It made him an outlaw, did it not? Obama and Kanye are both outlaws now for the mutual association.
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And neither does it repair your reputation after the unauthorized release. Although on the other hand, this release is amazing for Obama, so there's no way they'd sue over this. This just gained him 5% more approval in America.
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Here's a story about a recent ruling that went in favor of Veoh:
[www.wired.com]
I doubt Obama or the WH filed the complaint; as noted above, it was more likely NBC/Universal.
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