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    12/09/09

    In reply to James Franco's General Hospital Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    This has to be some of the lamest shit I've ever heard.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    The ne plus ultra of asinine celebrity journalism must be Sean Penn's unedited dispatches from Cuba and Venezuela: "Mountains of Snakes," published in The Huffington Post this time last year. The prose is near majestic in its mind-blowing stupidity, written by a man with the self-awareness of an ill-behaved toddler who clearly thinks he's producing work akin to Homage to Catalonia. Like The Room, it simply must be seen to be believed.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I've got to say I've noticed that musicians are often the worst music reviewers ever. It's nothing but pat phrases, lack of insight and often a startling lack of an idea of what makes music, work.
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    12/05/09

    @jasonelias: Rolling Stone still hasn't figured this out. Those "Best (whatever) Of All Time" listicles they put out every year or so are always partially written by musicians, and those blurbs are always embarrassing to read (yes, even by RS standards).
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    12/06/09

    @Superawesomerad: Very true, it's amazing how a musician can't articulate what they like about an influence. Weird I can't really think of one good one.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Err, we ARE talking about the editorial page of the freaken' Wall Street Journal, correct? As a launchpad to suggest that bringing in people not on the masthead is a bad idea?
    I think your initial premise needs more work, Ravi.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I was an editor at the Independent when Bono guest-edited. He wanted to illustrate a news story about Middle East peace talks with a picture of a two-headed calf. To his credit, he did at least allow himself to be talked out of it.
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    12/05/09

    @LolpantsofArabia: at the risk of sounding mercenary and ungrateful for this excellent titbit: email me more stories like this!
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I want to know why Naomi Cambell and Hugo Chavez are hooking up in Bolivia of all places.

    Is Hugo doing some kind of Mark Sanford thing?
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    12/04/09

    @CrayonSmoothie: Ahem. That was a deliberate error designed to show the value of copy editors.
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    Image of Bobby BoJangles Bobby BoJangles
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I was working on Ted Nugent's book Ted, White, and Blue...yes, yes, ridiculous title. Anyway, he had a sentence that went thusly: "we [the U.S.] have the technology to literally drop a bomb on the pins of assholes." I called him and said I didn't think this was quite accurate. He said no, it's accurate. I said, what exactly is a pin of an asshole? He said, you know. I brushed it off and asked: how about we at least take out the word "literally." He cursed at me and hung up. It's still in the book.
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    12/04/09

    @Bobby BoJangles: Kudos to you for breathing the same air as him and living to tell the tale, literally - ha!
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I have to say, James Franco's writing was self-important claptrap.

    After the first paragraph, I found myself asking, "Mr Franco, why should I care about your 'art'?"

    I am still waiting for an answer.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Come on.... I was a English Major and have been a published poet for over 25 years and I find both examples of the prose here just fine. Anyone who thinks Bono cannot write has no idea what writing is -- the man has communicated more ideas, feelings, and beliefs than you ever will. Calling him a midget is insulting to anyone of average height, which he is, not to mention those who are actually midgets. Your criticisms might be a little more believable if you had not decided to call Bono a 'midget,' and reffered to Penn by a stoner character he played over two decades ago. If you want to attack someone to build up your obviously narcissistic, petty personality, why not go after the real idiots out there, like Charles Grodin, who pisses out stupidity for the NY Post that pretty much say nothing at all.... Penn and Bono have done more for this world than your prose will ever come close to -- which is the real reason for your ire. Well, that and your ideological differences with these two.
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    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: It's "an English major," per conventions of written English, but maybe you're taking poetic license?
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    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: Who said Bono even wrote the nonsense he purports to have written? Even though it's garbarge, he probably couldn't put two words together -- even two garbage words; so claiming, as you do, "the man has communicated more ideas, feelings, and beliefs than you ever will" is a big presumption. Having worked at magazines and newspapers where this deceit occurs, I know, for a fact, these celebrities not only can't write the nonsense attached to their names -- they can't even read it! And by that, I don't mean because it's so bad and unreadable; I mean, they can't read! Or they can barely read -- period. Plus, in response to your line, "Penn and Bono have done more for this world than your prose will ever come close to" -- it's all well and good to be a fine actor, which Penn is, and performer, which Bono is, but that shouldn't give either one immediate license and credibility in fields about which they know nothing.
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    Image of TheologicalSong TheologicalSong
    12/04/09

    @Tweezergal: what are lyrics, numbers? I'm also really interested in the composition of "garbage words," sounds pungent! speaking of petty...sorry, I prefer John's soulful passion to your need to pile on, and presumption (to borrow your word) you have some intuitive awareness about what inspires a public figure to want to change the world. does one really need professional credentials to be an activist? I seriously doubt MLK, Gandhi or Margaret Mead would agree with that statement. why throw in with the lot of the fingerpointers? they generally have nothing of substance to add, and much to lament.
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    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: thank you for putting a little heart into this, John.
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    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: Let us assume for a moment that Bono is somehow this majestic conveyor of the human condition through song.

    If Bono is so great, why have the last three U2 albums been utter crap?
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    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    Grodin's flawless work in "Midnight Run" and "Catch-22" have done more for this world than your prose will ever come close to (doing) -- which is the reason for YOUR ire. I mean what are you, like Bono? You know, from IRE-land?
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    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: Ooohh! Bono used a couple of big words, and also "modernista" (which, by the way, means absolutely nothing). The way he relates to the reader that he is going to drink some wine is terrible. He's trying so hard to be weighty and sublime, but overshoots too the point that it's actually painful to read and kind of non-sensical.
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    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: It's true, anyone can express an opinion, and everyone has that right; however, some people have earned more credibility than others -- David Koresh and Jim Jones (Jonestown) also wanted to change the world. There are activists and then there are activists!
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    12/04/09

    @Tweezergal: fair enough, Tweezer!
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    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: Bah, I like to pile on.

    No one ever said these gentlemen need professional credentials in order to be activists. However, Bono is using the bully pulpit of the Times op-ed page to spout opinions that, I'd safely venture, the majority of the readership already sympathizes with. When I I choose to have my own beliefs echoed back to me in written form (or read convincing arguments of the opposing view), I find it best when they're written WELL.
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    12/04/09

    @lumpishere: also fair.
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/04/09

    @John Scott Ridgway: Oh, dude. First rule is to make up a fake commenter name, then you talk about Bono like he's your bud.
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    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: Alright, defender of Saint Bono. Let's dive in and get to the bottom of this. First off, I resent the label of "finger-pointer who has nothing of substance to add." At least in one case--Bono's op-ed about the Berlin Wall referenced below, I possess plenty substantive personal experiences as a citizen of Berlin to challenge his pompous turducken of an editorial.

    I don't even dislike Bono. He's quite alright, as far as musicians with more money than G_d go. He wrote some classic lyrics along the way, although in the musical arena, the Edge has always been there to mercifully shut up his bloated spoken-word soliloquies with one of his trademark echo-y, delay-play guitar riffs: That's the beauty of the best of U2's cannon.

    But if you unleash The Bono in print or into the political arena--where he's been not-so-secretly DYING to be a major player--he's suddenly an unmasked beast of messianic bullshit. He's a consummate politician--all fancy words, and nothing concrete to hang your hat onto. He surely has the gift of gab-he's an Irishman, after all--but it's all sentimental junk.

    To cast him as some kind of enlightened, compassionate spokesman for the ills of the world is ridiculous. He's just another Catholic boy working through his guilt complex. Good for him, but please allow me to laugh at it all.
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    12/05/09

    @TheologicalSong: Thank you, Theo!
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    12/05/09

    @snugbug: how in any way did I purport to be a "Defender of Saint Bono," Snug? I happen to agree with much of what you say here. what I'm a defender of is decorum, treating other human beings with dignity and respect, civility, propriety, grace, that sorta thing. that's where I was taking issue, with the vulgarity, the epithets, the ad hominem stuff.
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    12/05/09

    @Tweezergal: of course, TG, thanks for engaging patiently with me (and my slightly cantankerous workaday spurred rhetoric)!
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    "But wait. The women. Look at the women. All is not well. I'm thinking about the women. This is Iran."

    This is Toro, crawling across the ring to retrieve his mouthpiece in The Harder They Fall. When you're stunned, you go back to basics, like simple declarative sentences. And, like Toro, a celebrity is convinced he's Champ simply because everybody lays down for him.
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    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: Penn would do much better as a TV reporter. Or at least please my broadcast prof in J-school, whose eternal refrain was: "Short. Declarative. Sentences." As someone who's addicted to compound adjectives and adverbs, I don't get it, but I suppose sounding like a telegram has its advantages.
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    12/04/09

    @snugbug: Mark Twain says he learned from an editor you write something, then go back and take out all the adjectives. But I read later about ol' Sal and Dean cruising DC during the inaugural for Harry S Truman and at the end of all the vast armaments lined up murderous and threatening there was one ordinary small boat "looking pitiful and foolish in the snowy grass."

    I always loved that ever since. It's great humor and done simply, and you have to use adjectives to make it work. I try and remember that.

    "Ah, yass, Harry Truman, man from Missouri, as I am; that must be his own boat." - On the Road
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I have no illusions that a celebrity will ever employ a modicum of self-assesment. However, this should serve as a friendly nudge to non-celebrities who write columns to not bite the hand that makes you sound halfway literate. That person being me. Obviously you believe you are more intelligent than this lowly copyeditor, but if you were I wouldn't spend 45 min of my time fixing spelling and synatactical errors. This is all in addition to the effort put in to fact checking your half-baked diatribe.

    Last note, your college creative writing class taken over a decade ago does not make you a linguistical expert. I have even edited columns from j-school professors that needed a fair amount of help. Just be grateful.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Actually, Bono's worst op-ed piece to date was an interminable "ode to Berlin" that he penned for the NYT for the 2oth anniversary "of the wall's falling" this past October.

    It's formatted as a 2,000-word film script that flashes backward and forward, and during which Bono refers to himself in the third person as "THE SINGER" (sic, all caps) with the ironic subtlety of a jackhammer tearing up the pavement.

    Cobbled together from deeply metaphoric constructions such as "The black has devoured the blue," and "The bandmates found it darkly funny to imagine the papers back home carrying a photo of them protesting Mikhail Gorbachev’s great drawing back of the Iron Curtain," the message emerges:

    Yeah, the fall of the Berlin was kinda cool and symbolic and whatever, but the fact that U2 was there to witness it blow-by-blow is what really propelled it into history books.

    This shit was way over the top even for someone with Bono's messianic complex. One has to laugh..
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    12/04/09

    @snugbug: CHRIST. Gave the Berlin Wall article a try, and I just can't...there are no...it's totally...all I can come up with is "unreadable" and "unbelievable." Bono said it all, I guess.
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    12/04/09

    @epiclady: Your loss, lady. You missed the part when Bono interrupted German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a G-8 summit to school her in how to do her job, plus his hard-earned, Weltschmerz-y conclusion: "I think honesty is the hardest thing for a performer"..
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    12/04/09

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    What's fun is how he thinks after all of the send-up his foray into daytime television that there was a disruption of suspension of disbelief.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to James Franco's General Hospital Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    Likewise, when I wear green makeup and fly across a rooftop in "Spider-Man 3," I'm working as an actor, but were I to do the same thing on the subway platform, a host of possibilities would open up

    By "host of possibilities" I'm assuming he means 1) try to fly, get cape stuck, land on third rail, die, hold up trains or 2) get mobbed by teenage girls, flee, land on third rail, die, hold up trains, or 3) just hold up trains.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    that's all well and good, but how does "aging midget who wears sunglasses indoors" buttress your point, exactly, Ravi? an example of responsible, incisive journalism, apparently. if you must insist on cheap shots, a modicum of elegance might be useful.
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    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: Okay, how about "Cyd Charisse in boxers"?
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    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: now yer talkin', Tre!
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    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: Yes, but remember, now, Mike Royko or one of them grizzled newshounds of yore relayed the first advice he ever received from an even older and more grizzled editor: "Write about nuns and midgets. A story about nuns and midgets tells itself."
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    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: sounds about right.
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