He has personally paid more money to politicians than any other American—$13 million since 1999, according to Portfolio—all with the avowed intent of insuring that the U.S. will support Israel no matter what Israel does.
Substitute any other country is this sentence, and this would never fly. So Basically, this guy buys and sells our foreign policy. Why does everyone wig out when we start talking about "The Israel Lobby". It's clear there is one, and it's clear EVERYONE is sucking at it's teat and taking their orders.
@XavierLucage: While I agree that "no matter what Israel does" is a deplorable qualification, we should understand that $13 million is not a lot of money. Saban may have paid more than any individual personally, but he must have paid substantially less than the hundreds of non-profit and for-profit corporate entities that lobby politicians. To jump to the conclusion that American foreign policy can be bought and sold to the tune of a measly $13 million—this is absurd.
Are we to belive that it is only due to the rich and powerful "Israel lobby" (i.e., Jews) that the U.S. supports Israel? I would be surprised if the majority of Americans did not support Israel.
@iplaudius: The question is: Are we to believe that such particular kinds of extreme rich people, related to power, collect together as groups and just give that kind of money to politicians for no good reason. Evidence points to the obvious.
Saban is an alpha-male braggart, read interviews where he lets everyone know in no uncertain terms, he spent time with Bill Clinton in the White House, hanging with the family. ALOT of time. Do you think it was normal that during the Pres.Election, Hillary Clinton speaks at AIPAC - a lobby for a foreign country - and this is broadcast FULL, live on BBC and CNN, without interruption? So what other lobby group did you see that for...?
AIPAC lobbying affects foreign policy towards a foreign country: Hillary goes further than our nation's position: At that lobbyist meeting, she claims Jerusalem as the undivided capital; she stated there that it is a crime that there is the use of the word "nakba" from the Palestinian side to describe their own FATE in their own language regarding the creation of Israel?! Only Israel outlaws that term - this is a term which is accepted in university discourse, in official middle east policy discourse, and around the world. It's a word with good reason presenting the other sides position. WHY would our President BOTHER TO COMMENT ON IT?? She recites the names proudly of Israeli soldiers "kidnapped" (soldiers are not civilians, they get "captured"). When did you hear her mention American soldiers in Iraq by such familiar names and marching with their wives (as she did the Israeli soldiers) in NYC. And again, for any other FOREIGN COUNTRY. Should I go on? It is a FOREIGN COUNTRY. AIPAC deals with Foreign Policy and military funding. Guess what Israel gets the most of. And not in those silly credits, in cash folks, beginning of the funding year.
By the way, the story about Gene Simmons rings false, Saban can't be that much of a fool not to know Simmons is Israeli, donating money to their soldiers etc.. and I'm sure they share certain watering-holes. Not buying that one.
@Art_2008: Hillary made a strong statement on behalf of Israel while courting Jewish votes? Next you’re going to tell me that she praised the legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. when addressing the NAACP.
Israel is not just any "foreign country." Israel is an ally. The majority of the American people supports Israel. The majority does not support the states and non-state agents that speak and act openly against Israel. AIPAC or no, it would be a major shift in U.S. policy to abandon its traditional allies.
@iplaudius: Your use of empty rhetoric is convincing: You automatically try to get us to align Israel - a foreign country caught many times spying on us - with NAACP -all Americans. You speak for "the majority", repeat the mantra for soundbyte-worthy Fox news hosts. America love it or leave it has been adapted to Israel...Really, textbook work. Congrats.
@Art_2008: The first paragraph was indeed rhetoric, and it was not meant to be taken seriously: I was making fun of you.
Forget the funny stuff and focus on the second paragraph: Israel is an ally; the majority of the U.S. supports Israel; our foreign policy, appropriately, is consistent with past and present U.S. goals and interests, and it represents the will of the majority.
He also produced (or acquired and dubbed) many other crappy cartoons like Samurai Pizza Cats and Superpig. Animation can be a ruthless business. It's true!
I listened to the NPR interview in the car yesterday and almost drove off the road I was laughing so hard. "We don't know if there was a phone call" is pure gold.
But, Republican or Democrat, this hack should resign. But not before she tells us which AIPAC agent has the power to dole out congressional chairs. Much more so than any communist conspiracy Joe McCarthy ever dreamed up, AIPAC truly is the enemy within.
@CountryClubRepublican: Of course, it's troubling that the Obama administration has gone along with that venal fuck George Bush's gutting of the Constitution. But let's face it, that gutting was enthusiastically embraced by dumb fucking assholes just like you at the time. Because why? You always thought your party would be in the executive so it just didn't matter?
But that's not why I called you out. I called you a dumb fucking shitheel because you juxtaposed that classy one-liner with a post completely unrelated to the Obama administration. So, yeah, you're still dumb.
Harman also told Siegal that she was pissed that she wasn't given a heads up about the wiretap -- she actually insinuated that people can't be wiretapped until they're aware that they're under investigation. Siegal was like, "Wha??"
It's a problem when AIPAC can bribe some tanker with a charimanship if she uses her White House contacts to protect their spies, but only one. I'll bet that happens all the time. I'm more concerned that the Likud Lobby can decide when and if we go to war. Our foreign policy is dictated by AIPAC. One corrupt shill more or less isn't a major story.
Meanwhile, in other news, there were five (5) senators with the guts to refuse to sign on to the resolution honoring the brave troops who made a stand against terrorism in Gaza. It's the most craven legislature this side of the Kremlin, and I wonder if that will change.
I was astounded that her indignation of being wiretapped stemmed from the fact that she was the chair of the intelligence committee, as if holding that position should grant you privileges not afforded to us regular 'mercans.
Siegal did a fantastic job in cornering her when she slipped that the person she had talked to was an American -- she had seconds before denied knowing the conversation had taken place. Scratch that -- she just kept repeating that it "was four years ago," as if that were somehow justification for not being able to answer whether or not she spoke with the group or not. Yet somehow she remembers she's been on precisely 22 trips to the Middle East. Convenient.
I don't care that she's got a (D) by her name. She's the absolute worst kind of politician -- a liar who makes the unforgivable mistake of being haughty about it.
I'm not in favor of wiretapping by any means, but it suddenly occurs to me that conversations politicians have with lobbyists (or "advocacy groups," as our dear Congresswoman Harman would say) should perhaps be exempt.
Harman's gall is epic. She enabled the very abuse of power she decries:
I guess irony can be pretty ironic at times...
On a serious note, this doesn't make me feel any better about the NSA's wiretapping of American citizens. Seriously, can a single one of us honestly say they have never discussed committing a crime, no matter how big or small, over the phone? Yeah, the NSA now has a file on all of us.
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What, are you nuts?
04/22/09
Substitute any other country is this sentence, and this would never fly. So Basically, this guy buys and sells our foreign policy. Why does everyone wig out when we start talking about "The Israel Lobby". It's clear there is one, and it's clear EVERYONE is sucking at it's teat and taking their orders.
04/22/09
Are we to belive that it is only due to the rich and powerful "Israel lobby" (i.e., Jews) that the U.S. supports Israel? I would be surprised if the majority of Americans did not support Israel.
04/22/09
Saban is an alpha-male braggart, read interviews where he lets everyone know in no uncertain terms, he spent time with Bill Clinton in the White House, hanging with the family. ALOT of time. Do you think it was normal that during the Pres.Election, Hillary Clinton speaks at AIPAC - a lobby for a foreign country - and this is broadcast FULL, live on BBC and CNN, without interruption? So what other lobby group did you see that for...?
AIPAC lobbying affects foreign policy towards a foreign country: Hillary goes further than our nation's position: At that lobbyist meeting, she claims Jerusalem as the undivided capital; she stated there that it is a crime that there is the use of the word "nakba" from the Palestinian side to describe their own FATE in their own language regarding the creation of Israel?! Only Israel outlaws that term - this is a term which is accepted in university discourse, in official middle east policy discourse, and around the world. It's a word with good reason presenting the other sides position. WHY would our President BOTHER TO COMMENT ON IT?? She recites the names proudly of Israeli soldiers "kidnapped" (soldiers are not civilians, they get "captured"). When did you hear her mention American soldiers in Iraq by such familiar names and marching with their wives (as she did the Israeli soldiers) in NYC. And again, for any other FOREIGN COUNTRY. Should I go on? It is a FOREIGN COUNTRY. AIPAC deals with Foreign Policy and military funding. Guess what Israel gets the most of. And not in those silly credits, in cash folks, beginning of the funding year.
By the way, the story about Gene Simmons rings false, Saban can't be that much of a fool not to know Simmons is Israeli, donating money to their soldiers etc.. and I'm sure they share certain watering-holes. Not buying that one.
04/22/09
Israel is not just any "foreign country." Israel is an ally. The majority of the American people supports Israel. The majority does not support the states and non-state agents that speak and act openly against Israel. AIPAC or no, it would be a major shift in U.S. policy to abandon its traditional allies.
04/22/09
04/22/09
Forget the funny stuff and focus on the second paragraph: Israel is an ally; the majority of the U.S. supports Israel; our foreign policy, appropriately, is consistent with past and present U.S. goals and interests, and it represents the will of the majority.
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If that's true, he could be called a state-level enabler.
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But, Republican or Democrat, this hack should resign. But not before she tells us which AIPAC agent has the power to dole out congressional chairs. Much more so than any communist conspiracy Joe McCarthy ever dreamed up, AIPAC truly is the enemy within.
04/22/09
@Mediahohoho:
"We'll have to find out when it happens, dumb fuck."
ORLY?
"Obama Administration Embraces Bush Position on Warrantless Wiretapping and Secrecy"
[www.eff.org]
"Attorney General Eric Holder went to the national security court to seek a renewal of the surveillance program ..."
[www.politifact.com]
If I'm a dumbfuck, and I know more than you, what does that make you?
04/22/09
But that's not why I called you out. I called you a dumb fucking shitheel because you juxtaposed that classy one-liner with a post completely unrelated to the Obama administration. So, yeah, you're still dumb.
04/22/09
04/21/09
Meanwhile, in other news, there were five (5) senators with the guts to refuse to sign on to the resolution honoring the brave troops who made a stand against terrorism in Gaza. It's the most craven legislature this side of the Kremlin, and I wonder if that will change.
04/21/09
Siegal did a fantastic job in cornering her when she slipped that the person she had talked to was an American -- she had seconds before denied knowing the conversation had taken place. Scratch that -- she just kept repeating that it "was four years ago," as if that were somehow justification for not being able to answer whether or not she spoke with the group or not. Yet somehow she remembers she's been on precisely 22 trips to the Middle East. Convenient.
I don't care that she's got a (D) by her name. She's the absolute worst kind of politician -- a liar who makes the unforgivable mistake of being haughty about it.
I'm not in favor of wiretapping by any means, but it suddenly occurs to me that conversations politicians have with lobbyists (or "advocacy groups," as our dear Congresswoman Harman would say) should perhaps be exempt.
04/21/09
I guess irony can be pretty ironic at times...
On a serious note, this doesn't make me feel any better about the NSA's wiretapping of American citizens. Seriously, can a single one of us honestly say they have never discussed committing a crime, no matter how big or small, over the phone? Yeah, the NSA now has a file on all of us.
04/21/09
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