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    12/18/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    I'm sure this gave Al Franken enormous satisfaction and has removed any memory of the suffering he went through to get to the Senate.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    I can't believe how powerful Lieberman has become in this debate, and I'm glad Franken shut him up in accordance with Robert's Rules of Order. He had his time. It sounds like every senator will get his or her time. Lieberman loves this way too much, and it was time for him to yield.

    Then again, this is the only two minutes I saw of this thing, so maybe I'm completely out of line.
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    12/18/09

    @mimigoliath: If Lieberman could suck his own cock in front of the Senate, he'd do it.
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    12/18/09

    @intime: And then John McCain would say "In all my decades in the Senate, I have never seen anything like this..." And then he would kick off the official Lieberman 2012 campaign.
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    12/19/09

    @intime: @mimigoliath: lol to both of you (sorry, but I did)
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    That might have been better than that vid of Franken drawing a map of the U.S. from memory.
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    12/18/09

    @Ogiri W Surie: still doesnt beat Frankens smackdown debating the merits of his anti-rape bill. OR his total owning of that health care shrill.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    more better democrats stat. this is a start.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    Did McCain just have his wisdom teeth removed?
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    12/18/09

    @ihatetwitter: No. Just some lymph nodes. About 8 years ago or so.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    Nice post, Nikki Finke.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    the way he says "I don't like it" sounds exactly the way Dana Carvey said it when he was the "Grumpy Old Man" on SNL... telling! @ about 0:18:
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    12/17/09

    @lobstr: "I don't like it. So, in conclusion, get the heck off my lawn!" *shuffles away*
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    John McCain is just shocked, SHOCKED, that the entire chamber isn't lining up to kiss Joe Lieberman's ass.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    It is indeed comedy.
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    12/17/09

    @Lucky: Because I forgot editing loses the image.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    Eh, McCain's a good guy. I like that he spoke up on what is clearly a matter of principle to him.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: Ha ha! Good one! I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the Repubs are basically licking Lieberman's balls right now for his turncoat...ism.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: McCain did not speak up against some nutjob Rightwing Congressman yelling at the President during a speech before Congress. How's that for comity.
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    12/17/09

    @Hiroine Protagonist: McCain's loyalty to Liberman predates his turncoat... ism, and I don't doubt it played it's part. But I respect McCain enough to think that he meant what he said. I come from a country where there is next to no civility whatsoever inside parliament, and it's a total drag on the entire quality of government. One of the things I like about the American political system is precisely the 'comity' to which McCain refers. So as much as I can sympathise with Franken's frustration, I can also sympathise with McCain's point.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: I can understand sympathy with the point in a vacuum but this is all about power politics right now - they should be staying within their time limits anyway.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: (You're not Canadian, are you?)
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    12/17/09

    @joefuntime: He didn't need to. The nutjob Rightwing Congressman's actions apoke for themselves and were roundly condemned.
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    12/17/09

    @Hiroine Protagonist: Australian. And yeah they obviously need to stay within time limits, but an extra minute when asked for should be granted, I think. To whatever extent goodwill can be fostered between parties during such an important debate, I think it ought to be. The alternative will be interpreted as negative point scoring, blurring the lines even further between personal rivalries and public outcomes. I doubt Franken would have been so dismissive of someone with whom he agreed, for example.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: Dear Benny: your "civil" John McCain notoriously shrieked for another Senator to "Go fuck yourself!" on the august Senate floor a few years ago. The Republicans are attempting to hijack the current proceedings ruthlessly and smirkingly- they are actively at war .

    Franken was perfectly civil, and was well in his rights to object to Lieberman's droning on past his fair share of time. Franken was actually instructed to do this- they still had many other senators to hear from, and it was uncivil of Lieberman to behave like the selfish pig that he is.
    Hothead McCain is the least civil politician there is, unless you think calling your wife a "cunt" is an endearment.
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    12/17/09

    @Baroness: I know all of that, and the irony is not lost on me.
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    12/17/09

    @Baroness: The Senate 'go fuck yourself'er was Cheney. [www.washingtonpost.com]
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    12/17/09

    @Lysergic Asset: No, it was McCain's f-bomb I meant. But it was "off" the Senate floor, and "Fuck you" instead of "Go fuck yourself." I apologize for the minor innacuracies, but my point stands.

    "During a meeting Thursday on immigration legislation, McCain and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) got into a shouting match when Cornyn started voicing concerns about the number of judicial appeals that illegal immigrants could receive, according to multiple sources -- both Democrats and Republicans -- who heard firsthand accounts of the exchange from lawmakers who were in the room.

    At a bipartisan gathering in an ornate meeting room just off the Senate floor, McCain complained that Cornyn was raising petty objections to a compromise plan being worked out between Senate Republicans and Democrats and the White House. He used a curse word associated with chickens and accused Cornyn of raising the issue just to torpedo a deal.

    Things got really heated when Cornyn accused McCain of being too busy campaigning for president to take part in the negotiations, which have gone on for months behind closed doors. "Wait a second here," Cornyn said to McCain. "I've been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line."

    McCain, a former Navy pilot, then used language more accustomed to sailors (not to mention the current vice president, who made news a few years back after a verbal encounter with Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont).

    "[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room," shouted McCain at Cornyn.

    [blog.washingtonpost.com]
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    12/17/09

    @Baroness: Your point stands only in as much as it was uncivil of him to say that. However, it was in a heated discussion during a meeting after he himself had been insulted, which is a different context altogether to what we're talking about. Nothing like the Senate floor.

    Regardless, you're right. There are several examples of McCain's temper getting the better of him. However, the point he makes in the clip above is not undermined in the slightest by his own track record, in my opinion. It more than stands on it's own.

    As an aside, Cornyn's parachute quip was kinda clever. Offensive and a low blow, but clever.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: Nonsense. It's not as if Lieberman wasn't allowed to speak; he was allotted his ten minutes, and he proceeded on the assumption he'd be given more, rather than politely asking. If these goddamn grandstanding Senators want to be treated politely by their peers, they need to start acting like adults, rather endlessly filled gasbags spewing moronic nonsense followed by illogical garbage.
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    12/17/09

    @Baroness: Sorry for being picky, then. My assumption was wrong.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: "Nothing like the Senate floor." Only a chamber off of it, so the Senate could get an earful, so, next best thing. But I see your point, Mr. Civility.
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    12/17/09

    @Lysergic Asset: S'all right love.~ Actually it was good of be reminded of the specifics, I was unsure. All those "fuck you's" in life- it's a blur, right?
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    12/17/09

    @Baroness: No no, I completely sympathise with Franken, and said as much. I just said that I can also get behind McCain's point.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: Neat. I always imagined laws being passed by means of fistfight in Australia. Good to hear that (almost, but not really at all) confirmed.
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    12/17/09

    @Benny: no they were not. the GOP in fact refused to censure Wilson. don't make up facts, dude. seriously.
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    12/17/09

    @joefuntime: McCain on Wilson's outburst: "Totally disrespectful. No place for it in that setting or any other and he should apologize immediately."
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    12/17/09

    @Baroness: The fascinating thing to me is that the Democrats never seem to be able to get away with using profanity*, while the Republicans not only get to say "fuck you" but incessantly fuck everyone over.

    *see [www.washingtonmonthly.com]
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    12/18/09

    @Lysergic Asset: The answer is IOKIYAR. Honestly, hearing the members of the GOP complaining about Democrats being impolite is revolting. Lest we forget, for eight long years, they attempted to run this country completely into the ground. Any objections from the Democratic members of Congress during that time were ignored. I appreciate the point being made about the gentility of the Senate, but Franken responded politely to a request. It was a matter of his discretion as to whether or not to allow Lieberman (I-Quisling) to continue to speak. Nothing to see here, move along...and methinks Senator McCain doth protest too much.
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    12/18/09

    @Grandpapular: It's close enough to the truth. The lower you sink and the dirtier you fight the better off you are in Australian politics. It's horrible.
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    12/18/09

    @Benny: Yeah, he spoke up ... and was wrong. The same thing had already happened that day, but McCain couldn't remember it.

    The only reason he was "shocked" is because he's senile.
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    12/18/09

    @alboy2: Indeed. As I said previously on this thread, I shudder to think what a madhouse Congress would be if Norm Coleman had triumphed.

    Also: Bernie Sanders FTW.
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    12/18/09

    @joefuntime: Let's leave that to the Republicans!
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    12/18/09

    @joefuntime: Wrong. Dead wrong. McCain DID speak up against Joe Wilson after he yelled at Obama. Here:

    "In an interview with CNN afterward, Sen. John McCain trashed Wilson’s heckling and urged him to apologize. "Totally disrespectful," McCain said."

    [blog.newsweek.com]
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    12/18/09

    @PontiusPirate: I was taking issue with the notion that it was "roundly condemned" or whatever by the GOP. It simply wasn't. I didn't see McCain take to the floor to demand a public apology. He took to Larry King. Wow.
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    12/18/09

    @joefuntime: So you think more people watch CSPAN than Larry King? Or maybe McCain should have gone up to Obama's podium and took the floor as Obama was giving a speech in order to demand an immediate apology from Wilson?

    Just accept that you were wrong when you said McCain "didn't speak up" after Wilson's outburst. Thank you.
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    12/18/09

    @PontiusPirate: I'll accept it if you admit that McCain is a two-faced tool. [thinkprogress.org]
    So really, we all win.
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    12/18/09

    @joefuntime: " I was taking issue with the notion that it was "roundly condemned" or whatever by the GOP."

    My 'roundly condemned' comment came after you first said McCain didn't say anything about Wilson's outburst. But by all means, please continue to dig yourself out of that hole.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    My suspicion is that this was payback for a Dick Move some senatorial cracker pulled on Sanders yesterday...basically Sen. Cracker made the clerk read aloud the entirety of an amendment he wanted to introduce. But that's just speculation...
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    That was just lovely.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    I want to fellate Franken right now for that and I'm not even into dudes.
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    12/17/09

    @fatmonalisa: What if I had a newspaper image of John Boehner on my wall, toward which I direct occasional torrents of verbal abuse -- would that do anything for you?
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    12/17/09

    @skahammer: oh man, time to turn the dial up on the dong
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    12/17/09

    @skahammer: You should see my Dick Cheney Effigy Altar.
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    12/17/09

    @fatmonalisa: I want to fuck the 21-year-old Al Franken.
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    12/17/09

    @Lysergic Asset: do i smell an "i'm fucking al franken" video or bumper sticker in the making?
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    12/17/09

    @thatgirlinnewyork: Is it just me or is Franken in that picture eminently fuckable? That mouth just says, "I want to ravage you and explain existential quandaries to you while I do it."
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    McCain: Always knows how to pick a winner and stand up for her/him.
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    12/17/09

    In reply to Live Vicariously Through Al Franken as He Tells Joe Lieberman to Shut Up
    I'm so privileged to have witnessed the first AND the current Al Franken Decades.
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