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    How Mad Dog McEnroe Helped Bring Down Art Scammer

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    Image of Carol Gardens Carol Gardens
    03/27/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    Are you thinking of this scandal?


    [property.timesonline.co.uk]

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    03/27/09

    In reply to How Mad Dog McEnroe Helped Bring Down Art Scammer
    One should never fuck with a tennis player. They'll defuzz your balls and restring your guts.
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    Image of Aaron Altman Aaron Altman
    03/27/09

    In reply to How Mad Dog McEnroe Helped Bring Down Art Scammer
    "You want me to pay HOW much for a Thomas Kinkade? You cannot be SERIOUS!"
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    03/27/09

    @Aaron Altman: But he paints with light !
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    Image of Lizawithazee Lizawithazee
    03/27/09

    In reply to How Mad Dog McEnroe Helped Bring Down Art Scammer
    I think I would have just bought 100% of one painting.
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    03/27/09

    In reply to How Mad Dog McEnroe Helped Bring Down Art Scammer
    I followed all of this at the time. McEnroe at one time was an art dealer himself in the secondary market. That alone should have made him wary. Salander was once in partnership with a well-liked dealer, O'Riley, so Solander probably still had the whiff of respectability.
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    Image of Carol Gardens Carol Gardens
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    The Portfolio article from 2008 is really great and very detailed, if anyone is interested:


    [www.portfolio.com]

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    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    Salander went WAY BEYOND the "primary shuffle". As with the Stuart Davis paintings:


    [www.maineantiquedigest.com]

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    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    Is it me or are there a lot of Jewish people involved in ponzi schemes?
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    03/26/09

    @cupie: Sir ALlen Stanford? The original Charles Ponzi himself?


    really, maybe answering you is legitimizing your crap.

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    03/26/09

    @cupie: Is it just me or are there very few Jewish people in Harlem, the Ozarks, and Darfur?
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    03/26/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor: Did I stimulate a nerve? Pity that. A little bird (or I might actually be said bird)told me about all these really wonderful folks who said bird is actually involved in putting in their cages. The bird, it whistles...a lot and often.
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    03/26/09

    @cupie: What? I'm not even bothered by what you originally said, but what does that mean...
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    03/26/09

    @cupie: It's just you. Also you don't stimulate my nerves. Also, what is the bird that tweets but does not speak?:

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    03/26/09

    @prettyclever: My job entails that I often have birds tell on each other in order to put one or more fellow bad birds in their respective cages. Sometimes, I don't like being a bird keeper. I'd rather be a love machine but I need oiling. I am rusty.
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    03/26/09

    @cupie: Can I shit on your newspaper?
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    Image of atlasspanked atlasspanked
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    An art dealer ripped you off!?!

    Say it ain't so!


    The entire genre makes it's profit by charging the rich and stupid outrageous prices for endless mediocre works. As if provenance and bragging rights were actually worth an extra $10 million.

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    03/26/09

    @atlasspanked: great name!
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    Image of Carol Gardens Carol Gardens
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    Maine Antiques Digest had done some great ongoing reporting on the Salander situation. And I am not kidding.
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    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    Other words that spell trouble when bandied about: hornswaggling trickery; burgling connivery; gypsy thievery; grifting three-card-montery.
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    03/26/09

    @Products Will Save Me: Phrases, rather.
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    What I think Salander was doing was trying to get to the Gagosian "big leagues" - hey there's money out there, and I want it. Somehow.


    So he promises enormous returns (like what he promised to John McEnroe, for example: "Investors like the tennis star John McEnroe said he had put up $162,500 for Salander-O'Reilly to buy art and then resell it at a profit. He sued, saying that Salander-O'Reilly had promised to pay him $325,000" - 100% returns!) in order to rent new space, and then he realizes he doesn't have buyers for his goods.


    So to keep going, he does more - typical Ponzi.


    Promising outsize returns? check. Investors who did not get their money back? check. Luxurious lifestyle by perpetrator who was hoping for that "big score" that would make it all A-OK? Check.


    Ponzi, my deal Owen, Ponzi.

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    03/26/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor:


    Thanks for the insight. Sometimes the quality of financial reporting around here gets my panties in a twist.


    I wish I could summon Choire from the Gawker-grave to defend this ridiculous statement.

    It's the art dealer's primary shuffle, which works like this. Every sale is actually a loan. The phrase "Ponzi scheme" gets bandied about- though it's not much more illicit than any decent hedge fund.

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    03/26/09

    @friend_of_a_friend: I know. It's not a "loan" - it's a consignment. There are thousands of consignment stores that aren't "shuffling". An art dealer is a broker. Sometimes the broker will buy a work himself and sell it. Then he is a retailer.


    Last time I checked, people put actual cash (not a physical asset like a painting) into a hedge fund> they expected this cash to be managed, and returned when asked with sufficient notice. That is not being a broker, or a retailer.


    I dunno, doesn't seem that complex to me, esp. compared with, say, Octomom's life or Britney Spears' TROs.

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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    03/26/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor:


    The art world is a sick little world. It has been ever since people began to smear poop on paper and charge for it.

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    Image of FracturedAcetabulum FracturedAcetabulum
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    Great article in the current issue of New Yorker on the history of Mr. Ponzi.


    (this comment NOT sponsored by New Yorker)

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    Image of dado dado
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    I hope the Ponzi Scheme known as Social Security doesn't collapse before I get at least a check or two.
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    03/26/09

    In reply to Upper East Side Art Dealer, Accused of Running a 'Ponzi Scheme,' Is Arrested
    "Don't all highly leveraged businesses look like Ponzi scheme when the markets seize up?"


    Uh, no. You are talking about a consignment business that should have had no "risk". Sotheby's and Christie's are basically art galleries, that have "temporary" exhibitions of what they are selling. They are brokers, and take the work on consignment (or provide a guarantee in special cases), and then sell it and give the money they get to the seller - you know, the ACTUAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.


    Salander DID NOT OWN the property he sold, and the money he pocketed from selling things HE DID NOT OWN is not representative of a "leveraged business".


    Don't go sending your resume to Dealbreaker anytime soon, OK?

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