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procrastinator, esq.
09/23/09

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Get ready for the upcoming reality show, One Dad at a Time.
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resipsaloquacious
09/23/09

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Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he thought he was in bed with Shelley Duvall?
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lobstr
09/23/09

@resipsaloquacious: and that's some how any better??
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scroll_lock
09/23/09

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I'm not so sure I buy that she's really dealt with all this horror- she's still describing her rapist father as "full of love". She needs a lot of help.
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BadUncle
09/23/09

@scroll_lock: And after reading this news, so do I.
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scroll_lock
09/23/09

@BadUncle: Race you to the mental health care provider!
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FormerEnglishMajor
09/23/09

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If it gives courage to one abused chid either to come forward or to not feel ashamed, then go Mackenzie.

I admit, I was rolling my eyes at the "31-year-old secret" and yet another drug-addled memoir.... but J.H.C. that she is alive in any form, drugged or not, is amazing. I'd have probably killed myself, unable to handle it.
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bens
09/23/09

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I don't believe the story. She says that he rapes her until she consents. Which one is it? Then her plea to not demonize her father. Its kind of hard for people with any sort of moral compass to not demonize a man who rapes his own daughter. If she was trying to do anything but make money, she would have come out with the allegation(s) years ago. She's pretty much co-signing his tendencies by not coming forward with information. Either she has been involved in some serious mind programming hijinks (i.e. Satan worship scare of the 80's) or she's making up lurid details that cannot be substantiated.
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PamBeesley
09/23/09

@bens: How do you know she would have come clean years ago if this were true. I think most people who this has happened to NEVER come clean. I don't know if she's telling the truth or not, but it's pretty brave to come forward. She's sick in the head, he father was very sick in the head.
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bens
09/23/09

@PamBeesley: She comes clean on Howard Stern? People do all sorts of degrading things to get attention. She's too old to be flashing her privates at paparazzi, so she's making up stories.
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Macloserboy
09/23/09

@bens: Yes, god forbid she not deal with this in a way you find acceptable. Tell me what is the correct timeframe and forum to deal with sexual abuse by a parent? For some of us this pretty much explains her lifetime pursuit of self-destruction.
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LPB
09/23/09

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That era?
How about Ryan O'Neal trying to pick up his own daughter at Farrah's funeral?
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Dave J.
09/23/09

@LPB: Well, kinda different in the sense that Ryan was not aware it was his daughter.
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MyNameIsChris
09/23/09

@Dave J.: Yeah... and he also failed to fuck her for the next ten years. As far as we know.
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Island of Misfit Toys
09/23/09

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No wonder she's been fucked up for so long.
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scroll_lock
09/23/09

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This is so far into the red on the Skeeve-O-Meter. Foul, just foul.
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kdubya
09/23/09

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While not all drug addicts have been abused, a huge percentage of incest victims of incest become addicts. Over the course of three years working with incest survivors, I never came across a single one who didn't suffer from some sort of addiction and/or eating disorder. Not a single one.
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ArdelisDeeson
09/23/09

@kdubya: Absolutely. It's also amazing how many women in the sex trade are survivors of incest. I think in six years we saw one woman who wasn't either disabled or an incest survivor, or both.
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Greasy Thumb Guzik
09/23/09

@ArdelisDeeson:
It's also said by psychiatrists that everyone with multiple personality disorder was a victim of incest or other child molestation.
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Swordfish
09/23/09

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But did his wife at the time, Genevieve Waite (Bijou's mother) know?? If so, she's just as guilty.
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ArdelisDeeson
09/23/09

@Swordfish: I doubt she knew it, but even if she did there's no way, absolutely no way, she's "just as guilty". The perpetrator is the number one guilty party, and nobody else comes close.
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Swordfish
09/23/09

@ArdelisDeeson: Don't agree. And neither do the courts, which is why accomplices go to jail too. How would she be any different than the knowing wife of the sicko kidnapper/rapist in northern California?
Women ALWAYS know when their man is with another woman. The question is whether they consciously choose to acknowledge it or not.
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ExtensionOfBob
09/23/09

@Swordfish: Always? Really?

That woman willfully helped her husband kidnap and molest a child. Mackenzie was an adult woman, not living in her mother's home. Even if her mother suspected he was having a relationship with someone else, that does not mean she should automatically "know" it was her daughter. That's like saying, if my husband went out and beat someone up, I'm equally responsible.
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limber
09/23/09

@Swordfish: Mackenzie was apparently 19 when all of this went down, and just about to marry someone. I'm not sure the stepmother would fall under the umbrella of "accomplice" when the victim is financially independent, adult, and married. Not to mention chock full o'drugs.
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Iamavirgin
09/23/09

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Nothing is more fun than watching your liberal minds snap at the truth of what your childhood memories couldn't understand.

Yeah, fuck your icons. Fuck your memories. Fuck what you thought made you enlightened about what is right and wrong.

Maybe now you will be ready to join the Illuminati movement that stresses the here and now. The reality of life rather than the fantasy of what you glorified.

We have brought to your faces the things you never wanted to know. The reality you never wanted to confront.

We, those who have already confronted the truth, ask only that reality be your guiding force.

Do not let the myths and fables (even those you have constructed) betray the truth. We are ready to emerge once again and let actual truth and actual history guide us as we move forward in taking back society from its slow decline into fantasy and lies.

Enjoy the restoration of the truth.
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BettyCrocker
09/23/09

@Iamavirgin: Like a virgin! (Hey!) Spewing crap for the very last time! Like a vir-hir-ir-ir-gin - with your comments - full of bile!
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TheUptightMidwesterner
09/23/09

I can't get the image to load ! I was going to say that you are way too intense for the morning, but then I saw that you posted it at 3 am and now I am wondering how the rest of your meth-binge turned out.
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lionel-mandrake
09/23/09

@Iamavirgin: I've been re-watching the Venture Bros., and this guy's(?) rants remind of the Monarch's monologues.
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TheBusinessGuy
09/23/09

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The suggestion in the excerpt here is that he raped her. He was sick and reprehensible if it is true. If it isn't true, she is sick and reprehensible. Either way, let's hope this woman finds sanity and peace.
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lil red
09/23/09

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Sadly- "Love one another" was not just a lyrical mantra of ideals in the 60's for some.

Knowing what I know, seeing what I have seen and being where I was as an innocent little girl, I am not surprised, nor do I think the night before the wedding was the first time her father creeped into bed with Mackenzie.

You would be amazed at how easy it is for a little girl to black out episodes of her life for the preservation of the soul.
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lionel-mandrake
09/23/09

@lil red: This is far from the first such story I've heard from people who grew up in that era. Not that anything like this happened to me, but as the child of hippies myself, and as someone who grew up around hippies, I can attest to the sometimes slippery personal boundaries of hippies. For some people, the permissive ideology of the time was just a cover for far more base impulses.
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larala
09/23/09

@lionel-mandrake: I grew up among the hippies too, and I saw everything that could be seen by the time I was four b/c the free love thing dictated that sex was beautiful and not to be hidden or something. even at the time it skeeved me out, and yeah, I could see that attitude + drugs + the narcissism inherent to the whole "do your own thing" ideology leading to shit like this.
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IAmDoingThis
09/23/09

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Where is Kanye to interrupt THIS?
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niwi
09/23/09

@IAmDoingThis: IMMA LET YOU FINISH -- BUT OEDIPUS WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST INCEST STORIES OF ALL TIME!
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SpyMagician
09/23/09

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Effing horrific. FWIW, I never—never—felt comfortable with the "Mamas & the Papas" when I was a kid or as an adult. Now, more validation of the creepiness that came from them.

Good lord.
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picardia
09/23/09

@SpyMagician: That band was just "Three Crazed Assholes Riding on the Talent of Mama Cass."
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