Ummm, there's a difference between an attitude of impartiality (I said attitude, not reality) and the kind of insipid, myopic, opinion poll-obsessed, non-analytical, 24-Hour news-cycle-mongering crap that CNN pedals. Of which John King is, well, the King.
That, my friends, is why CNN is unwatchable these days. They can't take a stand or offer in-depth analysis of any kind whatsoever. If Satan himself crawled out of a flaming pit of brimstone in the middle of Times Square, they'd get a panel of pundits on to discuss how it might affect Obama's approval numbers, how this is going to affect the healthcare debate, and whether the Devil was upset because Michelle Obama showed too much of her arms. #cnn
John King may be a little more mild-mannered and less outspoken than Lou Dobbs, but he's no less of a raging conservative internally. He was absolutely incredulous during the campaign when it seemed like nothing McCain was doing was gaining any traction; he couldn't believe it. And he outright refused to believe CNN's own polls about who won the debates; he flat-out said not to pay any attention to those polls because they clearly did not reflect his own point of view of what had happened. (The polls turned out to be right, btw, and were supported by other polls taken by other organizations... not to mention the election itself.)
He obviously tries to temper his conservatism for what he sees as his duty as a journalist, and that's nice I guess, but on the other hand I'd rather have what I'm dealing with out in the open. There's nothing worse than bias that's not obvious enough for most people to catch, but that nevertheless can affect the public's perceptions of things. Until now, John King was not in a position to have much of an effect, but he will be now. #cnn
@badasscat: I agree with all you said. But I'm not worried about him having an "effect" - he's thick as a brick for one thing. Too much of a company man to rock any boat. As odd as it sounds, if you're going to be spreading bile like Beck or Dobbs, you need to know what dangerous game you're playing. King is not bright enough, he has no originality or ideas of his own. CNN wants to position itself as "centrist"- which of course means, heavily Republican with one dirty hippie thrown in as a punching bag. King won't be much different from the rest of the Beltway crowd. #cnn
I expect to soon see Lou Dobbs reporting live, and fully armed, from a northward bend of the Rio Grande, probably with a Fox News logo behind his big fat head and a toll-free number for Eugenicists-4-Freedom crawling across the bottom of his bottom-feeding screen. #cnn
"Hersh didn't take back the statements, which he said arise from reporting he is doing for a book, but that it might be a year or two before he has what he needs on the topic to be 'effective...that is, empirical, for even the most skeptical.'"
In other words, HE HAS NO PROOF!
From wikipedia: Bill Roggio pointed out that the JSOC reports to the Secretary of Defense and falls under congressional oversight. Roggio said "Hersh has made a living of making fantastic claims that don't quite live up to the hype. Chalk this one up as another Hersh fantasy."
If photos weren't leaked, just imagine what an over-hyped fantasy that would have been written off as officially--troublemaker Hersh overstating the slight misconduct of a few bad apples...
Oh, and since the CIA admits erasing nearly 100 video tapes of torture, so... NO PROOF of misconduct there.
@joshuaheard: Your assessment of what Hersh said is wrong. He didn't say he had not proof, he said he needs enough undeniable, emperirical evidence that even the most skeptical have to shut the fuck up.
What he's got now is, "Dick Cheney has been directing loose canon assassination teams while bypassing congressional oversight." Not exactly a stretch given this sick fuck's record.
I'm surprised Cheney is doing the talk shows and it leads me to suspect that all of this 'Obama's policies are making us less safe' is just a prelude to another Chency-orchestrated 'terrorist attack,' but this time bigger, like a nuke taking out Kansas City, say (I'm pretty sure they wouldn't totally obliterate New York City. I think).
@formerly it takes a lot to laugh: You're right. This guy seems to have a lot of pull with the terrorists, down to stepping easily into their mindset. Probably it's because he doesn't like democracy any more than they do.
Dick Cheney picked himself to be the Vice Presidential nominee and, once elected, took upon himself unprecedented powers in order to facilitate huge no-bid contracts for the company that employed him just prior to his "promotion."
No one in the military should have been reporting to Dick Cheney. Period.
This deep fried fuck had nothing but contempt for the Constitution and for our way of life. He and his family have used the government as their own personal teat for 30 years, all the while unironically deriding others for looking for a hand out.
If you don't get that this guy is an enemy of democracy, you don't know dick.
Sorting out how many laws have broken and how many men, women have children in the mission of stroking Dick Cheney's poor, maligned manhood--mortally damaged by his cowardice during the Vietnam era--will be a full-time occupation of historians and prosecutors for years to come.
On the plus side, he made his company a lot of money by getting the US involved in an unnecessary war in Iraq, so in a way, he has been a productive member of society.
@Mediahohoho: Holy shit. You have just prognosticated Fox's next commentary. "Dick Cheney made money for a U.S. company while in office, what has Obambi done?"
Why could Dick Cheney have an assassination squad when he could just re-task the satellites with the ice rays to just super freeze any of his ideological opponents.
Whether the tools employed by Cheney's henchmen were ethical or not, the government clearly received a stream of information that it was unlikely to obtain via other methods.
The other issue is not that Monsieur Obama wants to spend money on healthcare. It's that the economy is bleeding money and he wants to raise income taxes on the wealthy (who are now defined as anyone just north of the poverty line), increase the power of the unions, cut tax deductions for charitable contributions, initiate cap and trade and a number of other anti-business practices. He claims that he is doing this to avert immediate crises with which we have been living for years (i.e. healthcare) or are based on conjecture (i.e. the crumbling Global Warming "Theory.")
Cheney may not be a virtuous man, but don't hate him just because he hasn't swallowed your liberal snake oil. Hate him on his own merit.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Other than not jiving with your own personal (wacko) ideology, what exactly is wrong with raising the income tax of wealthy? What exactly is the point of having the wealthy in the first place?
You guys are over reaching. If you read the article this is based on, the "executive assassination ring" uncovered by Hersh is the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). JSOC was created after the abysmal failure of Carter's Operation Eagle Claw, which was the whole "let's try and get the 52 hostages out of the American Embassy in Iran oh wait our helicopters broke and/or crashed" thing. The idea was to coordinate the different branches of the military for special operations so that embarrassments like Eagle Claw wouldn't happen again.
They've been around for decades, and they're a legit military organization. It's akin to calling the Marines a "presidential death squad" because they ultimately report to the President and invaded an country under his orders and, yes, killed people.
And evidently, they report to the Secretary of Defense, not the President. Sorry guys, but I'm calling bullshit on this one.
@The Last Laugh: A lot of ideologues have spent the last 40 years screaming "bullshit" at Sy Hersh. But they have yet to prove him wrong. About anything.
@Stream Of Consciousness: Dude, I've role-played as a JSOC member in a Model United Nations Conference way back, and it has a Wikipedia page. This is not a shadow organization.
@saintjim: It's not a matter of proving him wrong. It exists. It's part of Special Forces. It kills people, but it's not an assassination ring just like the Air Force isn't an assassination ring. Nobody is going to contest the fact that the President is head of the military and JSOC is part of the military. That's my only point. Maybe Bush abused them like every other executive item he could grasp at, but still....
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That, my friends, is why CNN is unwatchable these days. They can't take a stand or offer in-depth analysis of any kind whatsoever. If Satan himself crawled out of a flaming pit of brimstone in the middle of Times Square, they'd get a panel of pundits on to discuss how it might affect Obama's approval numbers, how this is going to affect the healthcare debate, and whether the Devil was upset because Michelle Obama showed too much of her arms. #cnn
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He obviously tries to temper his conservatism for what he sees as his duty as a journalist, and that's nice I guess, but on the other hand I'd rather have what I'm dealing with out in the open. There's nothing worse than bias that's not obvious enough for most people to catch, but that nevertheless can affect the public's perceptions of things. Until now, John King was not in a position to have much of an effect, but he will be now. #cnn
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In other words, HE HAS NO PROOF!
From wikipedia: Bill Roggio pointed out that the JSOC reports to the Secretary of Defense and falls under congressional oversight. Roggio said "Hersh has made a living of making fantastic claims that don't quite live up to the hype. Chalk this one up as another Hersh fantasy."
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If photos weren't leaked, just imagine what an over-hyped fantasy that would have been written off as officially--troublemaker Hersh overstating the slight misconduct of a few bad apples...
Oh, and since the CIA admits erasing nearly 100 video tapes of torture, so... NO PROOF of misconduct there.
I think we all see how this works...
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What he's got now is, "Dick Cheney has been directing loose canon assassination teams while bypassing congressional oversight." Not exactly a stretch given this sick fuck's record.
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i categorically deny any involvement with any assassination teams.
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Never let the sheep glean what they don't need to know.
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No one in the military should have been reporting to Dick Cheney. Period.
This deep fried fuck had nothing but contempt for the Constitution and for our way of life. He and his family have used the government as their own personal teat for 30 years, all the while unironically deriding others for looking for a hand out.
If you don't get that this guy is an enemy of democracy, you don't know dick.
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On the plus side, he made his company a lot of money by getting the US involved in an unnecessary war in Iraq, so in a way, he has been a productive member of society.
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dick cheney was vice president on 9.11
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Whether the tools employed by Cheney's henchmen were ethical or not, the government clearly received a stream of information that it was unlikely to obtain via other methods.
The other issue is not that Monsieur Obama wants to spend money on healthcare. It's that the economy is bleeding money and he wants to raise income taxes on the wealthy (who are now defined as anyone just north of the poverty line), increase the power of the unions, cut tax deductions for charitable contributions, initiate cap and trade and a number of other anti-business practices. He claims that he is doing this to avert immediate crises with which we have been living for years (i.e. healthcare) or are based on conjecture (i.e. the crumbling Global Warming "Theory.")
Cheney may not be a virtuous man, but don't hate him just because he hasn't swallowed your liberal snake oil. Hate him on his own merit.
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They've been around for decades, and they're a legit military organization. It's akin to calling the Marines a "presidential death squad" because they ultimately report to the President and invaded an country under his orders and, yes, killed people.
And evidently, they report to the Secretary of Defense, not the President. Sorry guys, but I'm calling bullshit on this one.
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@saintjim: It's not a matter of proving him wrong. It exists. It's part of Special Forces. It kills people, but it's not an assassination ring just like the Air Force isn't an assassination ring. Nobody is going to contest the fact that the President is head of the military and JSOC is part of the military. That's my only point. Maybe Bush abused them like every other executive item he could grasp at, but still....
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