CNBC could be a distributor of dispassionate business news. Information only. Instead, its like watching Wall Street fellate journalism and worse, watching the return. Ugliness. It makes perfect sense that porn scores on that network. Everyone just screwing someone else. Life goes on. Where's my bonus? Where's my 401k?
the porn industry has regular cycles of expanding and contracting, and regular bursts of creativity, and it swells and billows and ... i have to go now
The problem is that this is were Darwinism normally kicks in. Another financial news network is supposed to come in and beat the living crap out of CNBC because we don't need a business network covering porn. We have plenty of alternate avenues for that.
However, for some reason the other networks haven't been successful. I have no idea why, unless they are being propped up by the parent network. I still can glean some good information from the money peacock, but I am getting less bang for my buck.
@ChillbearLatrigue: They hire personalities. There are those we love and always will, those we want to cut, some we wish would stop being so shrill but still admire and those, like Larry Kudlow, we believe should be fired for not seeing what was so obvious late in 2008 and has now lost all credibility forever.
Chill, I really think its the great casting (because that's all it is) and maybe its the great music played by their on-line advertisers' commercials...
In any event, I would loathe them less if they just reported business news. Instead, they actively engage in trying to manipulate perception of the economy and business environment. Larry Kudlow is the loudest worm in that shit pile. And this guy contemplates a life in politics? That is just rich.
@Soup: Woah, Anthony. What? Dan Abrams is running a corporate consulting firm that employs members of certain media outlets to see how they're going to react to issues their clients are involved in. He's also running a media outlet. Where do you see the similarities? Also, what does it matter what we're getting paid and when we're writing it? Jarvis had this email last night, and Cajun runs the late shift. PLZ ESSPLAIN KTHX.
Yes exactly, what does it matter what you're getting paid? A good portion of Cajun's post seems to be concerned with what Mediaite may or may not be paying their bloggers. Pot meet kettle.
Gawker's ad department is their version of Abrams' consulting firm. Gawker's ad department bends over and spreads their legs for HBO and the Gawker editorial gets to watch as a fake website is shoved right along with 'legitimate' Gawker posts.
I enjoy Gawker but to put yourselves on some holier than thou pedestal that's above what Mediaite is doing is completely laughable.
@Soup: Dude. I think the Bloodcopy thing's been played out, which is besides the fact that it's been addressed on this here blog. A "bend over" situation would've constituted an editorial endorsement of it, or some kind of interference on writers saying what they want about it. That being said: it's not a conflict of interest because our editorial editorial CAN say whatever the fuck we want about that show. Watch: TRUE BLOOD IS MEDIOCRE AND WILL NEVER LIVE UP TO THE GREATNESS THAT WAS SIX FEET UNDER. VAMPIRES ARE ANNOYING. Also, Gawker sponsored content is labeled.
Also, Gawker writers are paid, so, that's the difference there. As for Mediaite writers' compensation, it isn't even clear at this point as to whether or not it actually exists, let alone how much it's going to be. Yeah, I'd call that a difference, and a newsworthy one at that.
You can say it has been played out but that doesn't change the fact that it happened, and even after the editorial's protests, it was allowed to continue.
Mediaite hasn't even launched yet so to assume they would place any restrictions on what writers say about Abrams Research clients is speculation. We don't have to speculate on if there is a blurry line between editorial and advertising on Gawker because we already have evidence of it.
We've seen Gawker go from paying writers by the page view to taking away that money because the writers were actually receiving fair compensation. Do I really need to rehash all the complaints from ex-Gawker writers in regards to compensation or lack thereof? It's all well documented, I am sure you're not going to claim convenient ignorance of it.
@Soup: Ha. What continued? An ad campaign clearly marked as an ad campaign? It was mistaken for a news story by everyone including the site who hosted the campaign, cleared up, and continued as a non-news-story.
I can't speak for others' on compensation - whose views, you know I'm well aware of, but I'll speak for myself when I say I'm fine with what I'm getting*. Mind you, there was a time when Gawker writers weren't getting paid by the pageview. Also, I've got a paying job in media (two!) which is more than a bunch of unemployed media people can say, and I can assure you, there're plenty of bloodthirsty young upstarts who would happily take my gig(s)/paycheck(s) given the chance. But it's something, more than nothing, which is what They're offering.
Finally, you keep losing sight of the fact that Mediaite's going to be a commentator on issues their boss is "in the room" on, which ours' clearly isn't. [Or if he is - ha - he doesn't have a seperate business contingent upon it.]
*Speaking of getting paid, I can engage you in conversation about this further for $10/comment. I'm off the clock until tomorrow!
Point #13 is some shady shit. And there's way too much "we're saying it" and "it must be said" nonsense in here. Are they looking to hire teenagers for this work?
Um, Cajun, where exactly did you get this? "[D]on't piss anybody off (especially the Abrams Research clients we'll have you shill for occasionally)" - really? You got that from "Don't post racist crap like James von Brunn?" Dude, if you submitted that to me as your editor I'd send it right back and instruct you to get your facts right.
Things are absolutely getting worse, and it's pretty clear that if North Korea views Ling and Lee as diplomatic pawns, our government sure as hell doesn't.
Well, this is a little bit naive to say. The Government very rarely does diplomatic things in broad public view. I think the very singular silence on this issue, and the amount of people in power who are saying nothing at all about it, points to some pretty heavy State Department negotiations happening in some small quiet North Korean back room.
@Pope John Peeps II: Here's the thing: the silence isn't singular. Laura's high profile sister Lisa's been hitting the morning programs, pleading for her sister's release. The South Korean media is watching, and when Lisa flares up, they do, too. She did Today and Larry King, she continues to hold vigils and speak out. Now, let's assume the government is definitely working as behind the scenes as they can on this: why haven't they given Lisa a "can it and hang tight while we work things out" directive? Because they want some awareness of the issue? Because they'd just rather not communicate with the family? I'm not sure. I do know this, though: Current isn't saying anything, Gore hasn't said a word, the only thing said was - as pointed out by @cocobanal - Hillary Clinton's plea in the same hour she announced that we might make N. Korea a terror state again. Also, @if_i_only_had_a_heart: This isn't enough reason to assume the worst of North Korea?
@Foster Kamer: Maybe Lisa's the only one not willing to listen to the State department when they say "pipe down". You can't simply silence an individual, even if what they're doing is stupid or counterproductive. Certainly Gore of all people would know exactly what might be happening right now, and how potentially fragile the situation is? Maybe that's why he's shut up about it.
I certainly wouldn't think that this new administration would simply toss these two women to the wolves.
@if_i_only_had_a_heart: also: the ny post hates gore reflexively and rejects climate change as surely as flat earthers still think the sun goes around this planet
please don't repeat what the ny post says; if they say it's raining outside, you should look out the window first becuz they're probly lying about that, too
if i had to choose between believing that (a) al gore is doing everything possible to free those people, including working with the state dept and believing that (b) the ny post just hates al gore, (a) is always the win
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However, for some reason the other networks haven't been successful. I have no idea why, unless they are being propped up by the parent network. I still can glean some good information from the money peacock, but I am getting less bang for my buck.
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Chill, I really think its the great casting (because that's all it is) and maybe its the great music played by their on-line advertisers' commercials...
In any event, I would loathe them less if they just reported business news. Instead, they actively engage in trying to manipulate perception of the economy and business environment. Larry Kudlow is the loudest worm in that shit pile. And this guy contemplates a life in politics? That is just rich.
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http://gawker.com/5315335/
...which was inadvertently pasted on top of the original of this post.
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How much do you think Gawker is paying The Cajun Boy to post this at 7am?
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Yes exactly, what does it matter what you're getting paid? A good portion of Cajun's post seems to be concerned with what Mediaite may or may not be paying their bloggers. Pot meet kettle.
Gawker's ad department is their version of Abrams' consulting firm. Gawker's ad department bends over and spreads their legs for HBO and the Gawker editorial gets to watch as a fake website is shoved right along with 'legitimate' Gawker posts.
I enjoy Gawker but to put yourselves on some holier than thou pedestal that's above what Mediaite is doing is completely laughable.
06/19/09
Also, Gawker writers are paid, so, that's the difference there. As for Mediaite writers' compensation, it isn't even clear at this point as to whether or not it actually exists, let alone how much it's going to be. Yeah, I'd call that a difference, and a newsworthy one at that.
06/19/09
You can say it has been played out but that doesn't change the fact that it happened, and even after the editorial's protests, it was allowed to continue.
Mediaite hasn't even launched yet so to assume they would place any restrictions on what writers say about Abrams Research clients is speculation. We don't have to speculate on if there is a blurry line between editorial and advertising on Gawker because we already have evidence of it.
We've seen Gawker go from paying writers by the page view to taking away that money because the writers were actually receiving fair compensation. Do I really need to rehash all the complaints from ex-Gawker writers in regards to compensation or lack thereof? It's all well documented, I am sure you're not going to claim convenient ignorance of it.
06/19/09
I can't speak for others' on compensation - whose views, you know I'm well aware of, but I'll speak for myself when I say I'm fine with what I'm getting*. Mind you, there was a time when Gawker writers weren't getting paid by the pageview. Also, I've got a paying job in media (two!) which is more than a bunch of unemployed media people can say, and I can assure you, there're plenty of bloodthirsty young upstarts who would happily take my gig(s)/paycheck(s) given the chance. But it's something, more than nothing, which is what They're offering.
Finally, you keep losing sight of the fact that Mediaite's going to be a commentator on issues their boss is "in the room" on, which ours' clearly isn't. [Or if he is - ha - he doesn't have a seperate business contingent upon it.]
*Speaking of getting paid, I can engage you in conversation about this further for $10/comment. I'm off the clock until tomorrow!
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Well, this is a little bit naive to say. The Government very rarely does diplomatic things in broad public view. I think the very singular silence on this issue, and the amount of people in power who are saying nothing at all about it, points to some pretty heavy State Department negotiations happening in some small quiet North Korean back room.
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I certainly wouldn't think that this new administration would simply toss these two women to the wolves.
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06/07/09
please don't repeat what the ny post says; if they say it's raining outside, you should look out the window first becuz they're probly lying about that, too
if i had to choose between believing that (a) al gore is doing everything possible to free those people, including working with the state dept and believing that (b) the ny post just hates al gore, (a) is always the win
that said, i like your work a lot
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