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    Image of Smitros Smitros
    12/04/09

    In reply to When Local Reporter Pops the Trunk, Hit the Deck
    Will Dallas Morning New reporters now be told not to advertorialize in their stories?
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    Image of Bobby BoJangles Bobby BoJangles
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I was working on Ted Nugent's book Ted, White, and Blue...yes, yes, ridiculous title. Anyway, he had a sentence that went thusly: "we [the U.S.] have the technology to literally drop a bomb on the pins of assholes." I called him and said I didn't think this was quite accurate. He said no, it's accurate. I said, what exactly is a pin of an asshole? He said, you know. I brushed it off and asked: how about we at least take out the word "literally." He cursed at me and hung up. It's still in the book.
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    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    12/04/09

    @Bobby BoJangles: Kudos to you for breathing the same air as him and living to tell the tale, literally - ha!
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    Image of The Real JR The Real JR
    12/04/09

    In reply to When Local Reporter Pops the Trunk, Hit the Deck
    EXCELLENT BEATNUTS REFERENCE.
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    Image of Hamilton Nolan Hamilton Nolan
    12/04/09

    @The Real JR: Thank you. You're listening to the world famous.
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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    I have to say, James Franco's writing was self-important claptrap.

    After the first paragraph, I found myself asking, "Mr Franco, why should I care about your 'art'?"

    I am still waiting for an answer.
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    "But wait. The women. Look at the women. All is not well. I'm thinking about the women. This is Iran."

    This is Toro, crawling across the ring to retrieve his mouthpiece in The Harder They Fall. When you're stunned, you go back to basics, like simple declarative sentences. And, like Toro, a celebrity is convinced he's Champ simply because everybody lays down for him.
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    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: Penn would do much better as a TV reporter. Or at least please my broadcast prof in J-school, whose eternal refrain was: "Short. Declarative. Sentences." As someone who's addicted to compound adjectives and adverbs, I don't get it, but I suppose sounding like a telegram has its advantages.
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    Edited by snugbug at 12/04/09 12:47 PM snugbug was starred snugbug was unstarred
    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12/04/09

    @snugbug: Mark Twain says he learned from an editor you write something, then go back and take out all the adjectives. But I read later about ol' Sal and Dean cruising DC during the inaugural for Harry S Truman and at the end of all the vast armaments lined up murderous and threatening there was one ordinary small boat "looking pitiful and foolish in the snowy grass."

    I always loved that ever since. It's great humor and done simply, and you have to use adjectives to make it work. I try and remember that.

    "Ah, yass, Harry Truman, man from Missouri, as I am; that must be his own boat." - On the Road
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    Image of snugbug snugbug
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Actually, Bono's worst op-ed piece to date was an interminable "ode to Berlin" that he penned for the NYT for the 2oth anniversary "of the wall's falling" this past October.

    It's formatted as a 2,000-word film script that flashes backward and forward, and during which Bono refers to himself in the third person as "THE SINGER" (sic, all caps) with the ironic subtlety of a jackhammer tearing up the pavement.

    Cobbled together from deeply metaphoric constructions such as "The black has devoured the blue," and "The bandmates found it darkly funny to imagine the papers back home carrying a photo of them protesting Mikhail Gorbachev’s great drawing back of the Iron Curtain," the message emerges:

    Yeah, the fall of the Berlin was kinda cool and symbolic and whatever, but the fact that U2 was there to witness it blow-by-blow is what really propelled it into history books.

    This shit was way over the top even for someone with Bono's messianic complex. One has to laugh..
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    Edited by snugbug at 12/04/09 12:14 PM snugbug was starred snugbug was unstarred
    Image of epiclady epiclady
    12/04/09

    @snugbug: CHRIST. Gave the Berlin Wall article a try, and I just can't...there are no...it's totally...all I can come up with is "unreadable" and "unbelievable." Bono said it all, I guess.
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    12/04/09

    @epiclady: Your loss, lady. You missed the part when Bono interrupted German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a G-8 summit to school her in how to do her job, plus his hard-earned, Weltschmerz-y conclusion: "I think honesty is the hardest thing for a performer"..
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    Image of TheologicalSong TheologicalSong
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    that's all well and good, but how does "aging midget who wears sunglasses indoors" buttress your point, exactly, Ravi? an example of responsible, incisive journalism, apparently. if you must insist on cheap shots, a modicum of elegance might be useful.
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: Okay, how about "Cyd Charisse in boxers"?
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    Image of TheologicalSong TheologicalSong
    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: now yer talkin', Tre!
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    12/04/09

    @TheologicalSong: Yes, but remember, now, Mike Royko or one of them grizzled newshounds of yore relayed the first advice he ever received from an even older and more grizzled editor: "Write about nuns and midgets. A story about nuns and midgets tells itself."
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    Image of TheologicalSong TheologicalSong
    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: sounds about right.
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    Image of Tweezergal Tweezergal
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    But even worse than your-average-run-in-the-mill celebrity "authors" are business-people, anchors, and politicians who hire academics, reporters, or independent intellectuals to ghostwrite their articles: I can think of a few esteemed bigwigs who've "published" pieces in the rarified New York Review of Books-- only they haven't really written them. And do you think Tom Brokaw penned any of "his" books?
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    Image of Ravi Somaiya Ravi Somaiya
    12/04/09

    @Tweezergal: email me their names!
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    "I'm confused. Suzanne Somers is famous, and SHE'S a good writer."

    — Kim Kardashian, in Sunday's London Times
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12/04/09

    @AzureTexan: I love it.

    Dr Dean Edell considers Oprah's program one of the most lethal threats to health and life in America today, and one of her prize guests is this particular blow-up doll. There are plenty of other fruit loop frauds, and Oprah will present them, right after this ...
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/04/09

    @Tremonius: Tremonius, it sounds like you might be interested in the new desert utopia I'm starting, Awesomeville, which'll be devoid of empty celebrity and semi-legitimate fame . . . although, I grant you, I'll be quite the famous celebugenius for having started it.
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    Image of Kakapo Kakapo
    12/04/09

    @AzureTexan: You must seek out "Touch Me in Whimsy: The Poems of Suzanne Somers." And, no, I am not making that title up.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/04/09

    @Kakapo: I'll definitely seek it out, because I'm curious how many poems can begin, "Come and knock on our door. . . "
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    Image of Banjo-Sea Kitten Banjo-Sea Kitten
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    What's been worse is the speaking Sean Penn--on Larry King especially. He cannot form an articulate sentence to save his life. At least Sarah Palin is just ignorant and aims for soundbite folksy; Penn on the other hand is certainly not as ignorant, and his heart has been in the right place at times, but he aims for deep and brilliant and misses those marks every time.
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    Image of Tweezergal Tweezergal
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Hooray Ravi Somaiya, for exposing what everyone knows but few want to admit, that "celebrity writer" is an oxymoron. The fact is, even edited pieces by celebrities are garbage, because rewrite people have a hard time turning their illiterate ramblings into anything substantial. What their original pieces look like when they first land on an editor's desk would be embarrassing for a ten-year-old -- that is, if they weren't already reshaped by the celebrity's personal assistant. Bono in The Times?! What a joke! I'm still laughing over Warren Beatty's op-ed piece years back. Fame seekers, who are much too interested in being stared at, are not prepared for the hard, solitary work and thought that good and intelligent writing requires.
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    Edited by Tweezergal at 12/04/09 11:07 AM Tweezergal was starred Tweezergal was unstarred
    Image of hilkaryic hilkaryic
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Whatever happened to proving your intelligence on Celebrity Jeopardy?
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Are you suggesting that writing is a craft and a skill that requires effort and practice? This is an interesting topic. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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    Image of MrInBetween MrInBetween
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    Sean Penn is emultating Hemingway. Try again, nitwit.
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    Image of Arken Arken
    12/04/09

    @MrInBetween: By metaphorically shooting himself in the face?
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12/04/09

    @MrInBetween: From the time before shadows, Anselmo sat up on the turret and he marked down the cars passing in the dust of the road in the valley below. The dust from the tracks rose straight up as a spire will in that country where they were allowed to rise, and drifted over to coat the leaves left on the solitary oaks along the ridge. His pencil was stubby but the women did not mind. But he did not know to count the women. The advance was lost because the women were not counted. We didn't like it, just as we didn't like Japanes art that season when the botas were frilled on the outside and Humberto was victorious, but there wasn't really anything we could do about the women. They were there just as the art was, dusty and solitary in the gloomy shade cast by the turret where Anselmo counted the cars. He counted, all right, only not the women.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/04/09

    In reply to Why Celebrity Op-Eds Suck
    what happened to:

    *celebrities are dumb
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    Image of marin79 marin79
    12/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Ha! Though, I actually think Franco is intelligent (esp relative to the rest of the bunch). Just takes himself far too seriously with that article & perhaps, as Ravi notes, suffered from bad editing.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/04/09

    @marin79: Franco is simply NOT stupid. He's a person of regular intelligence. Which in celebrity parlance means he's a genius unparalleled in human history. But by no means should he start to think he's particularly smart. His writing is also horribly, horribly undergrad-ish.

    I think it's more honest without an editor. I think an editor would have balked at editing this, knowing that if this person is going to play on his celebrity to get an article out there, the only way to even that out karmically is to let his writing speak for him, and show the world what he's about. Writing speaks loudly.
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    12/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: More to the point recently, what happened to "cocktail waitresses are dumb?"
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Yes, you make an excellent point--let them show their asses via their diatribes de célébrité in all their fascinating shortcomings. It just boosts the work--the hard work--of true journalistic experts up a notch.
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    Image of braak: You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/04/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: Oh, if only there were more than just a handful of Gawker commenters who could tell the difference between "good journalism" and "celebrity wankerage."
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    Image of marin79 marin79
    12/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: I never implied that he was a genius. If you consider what "regular intelligence" actually is for this country, I'd say he's above average even though his writing is undergrad-ish. That doesn't mean that I believe he deserves to being doing op-eds in the WSJ, but let's not forget - they also employ PEGGY NOONAN! How high of a bar is it really?
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    Edited by marin79 at 12/04/09 9:37 AM marin79 was starred marin79 was unstarred
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    12/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: And if you want a good laugh - check out unedited Franco writing in the UCLA Literary Journal:

    [www2.humnet.ucla.edu]
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/04/09

    @marin79: Oh-my-freakin-gawd. I'm crying. I'm crying because James Franco is going to have a Master's from effing Columbia, and I never will.

    He gets extra goober points for his use of "hillock."
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    Image of jthh jthh
    12/04/09

    @marin79: Really?? Really?? I wish I did not just spend 10 minutes of my life reading that.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    12/04/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: Speaking of master's from Columbia.... have we heard any updates from the guy who is supposed to be blogging about it here lately? #mastersareawasteoftimeandmoney
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    Image of nozer nozer
    12/04/09

    @marin79: Are you talking about the actor or the fictional soap opera artist?
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    12/04/09

    @marin79: ""I brought some of that stuff," said Jason. He pulled out a baggie of cocaine and poured a little pile on the desktop. I didn’t like this. The prostitution was one thing, but the cocaine was another level."

    Really, James Franco of Hollywood?
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    12/04/09

    @nozer: it's all so meta it's hard to keep straight!
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/04/09

    @nozer: HA! Like a true undergrad, worried the 'rents might read what he wrote and cut him off financially. He must have done some terrific research at UCLA for any future role as an insipid college student.
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