Dorothy Parker once said, "Some things just aren't funny, and they never will be." I'm pretty sure she had a good sense of humor.
I think people are probably being overzealous here, but I do get really tired of white people telling black people they should just laugh at white people's funny jokes about racism, whatever those jokes may be. Do you think dead baby jokes are funny? I do, sometimes; I have a pretty twisted sense of humor. Would I tell them to someone who's lost a child? No, that would make me an asshole. Nor would I try to tell black people what they should and shouldn't find funny about racism. They've suffered from it. I haven't.
And for all the idiots who will bring up "The Producers" -- Brooks made fun of Nazis. He did not make fun of the Holocaust.
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Well, you just knew some kind of diabolical media dealings were happening. As much as Le Tigre likes to fuck it's almost like he damned near dared the media to find all his famewhoring fuck-holes and places he liked to take them, pics of his dong, his vicodin, his lame "daddy long stroke" voicemails...sheesh, I've never heard of anyone poorer at subterfuge. It's like he was Ron Jeremy doing his biz during the dinner hour at the Russian Tea Room and nobody noticed a damnable thing.
@Seeräuber Jenny: Not funny (and I didn't even read it). The cross-burning pic is an absolute deal-breaker. My Dad's West Indian and I still have a collective unconscious shudder when I see that picture.
@Seeräuber Jenny: This lame article satirizes racism, it does not actively denigrate black people. "Jersey Shore" does denigrate Italian-Americans (with the active help of some Italian-American retards) but many people on these boards see fit to tolerate it, even to celebrate its offensiveness. So lighten up - "it's just humor" IS good enough.
@Lysergic Asset: My parents are both black, from the deep South, where I currently reside. I didn't know cross burnings and the Klan were big in the West Indies...but okay.
Anyhoo, I thought it was funny, cross burning Klansmen picture aside (I think one of the funniest scenes in O Brother Where Art Thou is at the KKK Rally... it's pretty funny in Harold and Kumar as well)
If you had bothered to read the actual article, you would see that the it's calling the newspaper a racist institution, as evidenced by their yearly cross burning.
I actually didn't say it should be censored. I said it wasn't funny. But if stuff goes over a certain line, I don't have a problem with saying that something should be removed.
The only people who claim there are no lines; there are always lines.
@Seeräuber Jenny: The thing is people are not protesting it because "it simply wasn't funny;" they're protesting it saying it was racist. Which it clearly is not, and is in fact mocking.
@Lysergic Asset: "Not funny (and I didn't even read it)." That's funny.
I think I'll decide when it's appropriate for me to lighten up. In point of fact, I have a great sense of humor.
I haven't seen Jersey Shore, but if it's as offensive as I keep reading, I fully support any Italian Americans (or anyone else) who would want to see it pulled.
@Hamilton Nolan: I wasn't bragging about my laziness; I was saying that the visceral reaction I had to the chosen picture made me not want to read it. That is all.
@HilliardTortoise: My point was exactly that even though my father is from the West Indies (and I clearly don't have a family historical record of KKK cross burnings equal to blacks in this country), that I still had a bad reaction seeing the picture.
It was silly of me to pre-judge based on a photo, and I have no problem with the content of the article itself now that I actually read it.
Also: now that you reminded me, the O Brother cross burning scene was very funny, as was the one in Bad Boys 2. Mind opened.
Oh, I understood that, Hamilton. The perception of racism is not an entirely objective endeavor. I happened to think its primary problem was its ineffectiveness. I didn't think it was that subtle a distinction, but hope this helps.
BTW, hearkening back to another post you wrote, if the Jamaican government wishes to experiment with restricting songs on the public airwaves that perpetuate negative stereotypes about drugs and crime I support them. It's easy to mock "censorship" when you don't have to live with the evils that the censorship is aimed at.
But you probably think that there should be no restrictions on Nazi expressions in Germany. I would disagree.
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I think people are probably being overzealous here, but I do get really tired of white people telling black people they should just laugh at white people's funny jokes about racism, whatever those jokes may be. Do you think dead baby jokes are funny? I do, sometimes; I have a pretty twisted sense of humor. Would I tell them to someone who's lost a child? No, that would make me an asshole. Nor would I try to tell black people what they should and shouldn't find funny about racism. They've suffered from it. I haven't.
And for all the idiots who will bring up "The Producers" -- Brooks made fun of Nazis. He did not make fun of the Holocaust.
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And by end-time I mean, are these the ones that don't survive?
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- Area Man.
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Didn't Tiger bite Roy in Vegas a few years ago?
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When you can't trust the journalistic standards of the publisher of Weekly World News, who can you trust?
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This thing just never ends, does it.
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The cardinal rule of taking on deservedly sensitive topics is be brilliant.
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Anyhoo, I thought it was funny, cross burning Klansmen picture aside (I think one of the funniest scenes in O Brother Where Art Thou is at the KKK Rally... it's pretty funny in Harold and Kumar as well)
If you had bothered to read the actual article, you would see that the it's calling the newspaper a racist institution, as evidenced by their yearly cross burning.
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I actually didn't say it should be censored. I said it wasn't funny. But if stuff goes over a certain line, I don't have a problem with saying that something should be removed.
The only people who claim there are no lines; there are always lines.
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@Lysergic Asset: "Not funny (and I didn't even read it)." That's funny.
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I think I'll decide when it's appropriate for me to lighten up. In point of fact, I have a great sense of humor.
I haven't seen Jersey Shore, but if it's as offensive as I keep reading, I fully support any Italian Americans (or anyone else) who would want to see it pulled.
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I wasn't a great fan of that scene in Brother, (great soundtrack, though) but it was a somewhat more successful attempt at satire.
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It was silly of me to pre-judge based on a photo, and I have no problem with the content of the article itself now that I actually read it.
Also: now that you reminded me, the O Brother cross burning scene was very funny, as was the one in Bad Boys 2. Mind opened.
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I'm sorry I actually wasted time reading it.
Hey Everybody, want to hear my Holocaust and Armenian Genocide jokes? While we're at it, what about my bit about the Rape of Nanking? It kills.
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Perhaps the levity is necessary because man's inhumanity to man is otherwise incomprehensible.
Mel Brooks made light of the Holocaust in The Producers with his musical-inside-a-movie "Springtime for Hitler"... i wonder what his motivations were.
Cross-burning and lynching photos will always, always rub me the wrong way.
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Oh, I understood that, Hamilton. The perception of racism is not an entirely objective endeavor. I happened to think its primary problem was its ineffectiveness. I didn't think it was that subtle a distinction, but hope this helps.
BTW, hearkening back to another post you wrote, if the Jamaican government wishes to experiment with restricting songs on the public airwaves that perpetuate negative stereotypes about drugs and crime I support them. It's easy to mock "censorship" when you don't have to live with the evils that the censorship is aimed at.
But you probably think that there should be no restrictions on Nazi expressions in Germany. I would disagree.
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It's almost a racket; get people upset reading and responding to the same ole shit when they could be using their energies to better purpose.
I'm not talking about Gawker, but about the original author.
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Lately I've been spending way too much time here defending my point of view. Sometimes even when I'm agreeing with people, they start an argument!
Not you; you're an egalitarian voice in the wilderness.
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