if you play with the mortgage option, 4-player Monopoly can seriously take like 6 hours. And I'll be honest: Despite the horrors of being held captive, hearing the phrase "I have three houses on Park Place, that will be eleven hundred dollars" in a Pashto accent would be pretty awesome.
This reminds me that as much as some people like to claim otherwise, the people who brought down the Soviet Union were the people who took to the streets of Budapest, Prague, East Berlin and other capitals to finally say no to being lorded over by an "ideologically pure" elite.
Nice story, Cajun Boy, but isn't our confidence in Gawker coverage of this story a little undermined now that we know that Gawker, kneeling abjectly, asks the NY Times permission before writing stories that the NY Times might possibly like to see trashed?
So tell us, did Gabriel Snyder give the go-ahead for this story after Cathrine Mathis, SVP of Communications at The New York Times Co., emailed him to ask that Gawker run it?
@forgetitjake: I think that Gabriel and Gawker made the right call here, as did every other media outlet who sat on the story after learning that publicizing it could have been detrimental to the safety of Rohde and Ludin.
Gawker's non-genuflecting posture towards the newspaper of record is well demonstrated at the level of attitude, and attitude is cheap, but now it is destroyed at the level of substance.
Gawker faithfully rags the NY Times about all the predictable things, especially when it comes to its sycophancy towards the affluent and its unprofitability, or whatever else comes in handy as a text for St Nick's repetitious but mostly wholesome sermons about the Death of Print.
But then you get an e-mail from a flack about killing a story and you lie down and spread them.
Gabriel and Gawker made the right call only if killing stories is journalism.
@forgetitjake: And they'd make the right call by increasing the odds of Rohde being killed? All you have to do is read. I know what makes me sleep better at night, and I wasn't even the one who made the call.
Nobody cares about your sleep. Sleep on your own time. When you wake up and come to work and expect credibility as a journalist, don't kill stories. Also, don't pull rank on your readers, blogger. When you have more experience as a journalist, you will realize that it is not true that all your readers have to do is read.
Journalists write about kidnapping -- practically any kidnapping -- because kidnapping is newsworthy, no matter who gets kidnapped. Political kidnapping is not a less newsworthy subset of kidnapping. The only defensible call when a journalist is kidnapped is to do exactly what you would do if a diplomat had been kidnapped, or a banker or a contractor or a ship's crew. Report it accurately and in a timely fashion.
If your own employee or colleague is kidnapped, in that case you are a party to the event and your obligations are different. (Nobody ever told you how this works?) But if the victim is not your employee or colleague, you have to report it -- unless you are willing to tell your readers that you write what interested parties and their flacks tell you you can write.
@forgetitjake: Danny Pearl's kidnapping was widely reported for days after it happened. So were the demands of his kidnappers. Then they cut his head off.
David Rohde's kidnapping was not reported, and now he is alive.
So was the Times' position that not publicizing Rohde's kidnapping would help save his life correct? I dunno. But this much is indisputable fact: Unlike Pearl, Rohde didn't get his head cut off. So I'd have to give the benefit of the doubt on this one to the Times (and to Gawker and other outlets that chose not to report on Rohde's kidnapping).
I also find this to be kind of a strange point for you to get all hostile-angry with Gawker about. They did it so some guy wouldn't die, and the guy isn't dead.
Was some great harm done by keeping this particular story quiet? Are you just really pissed that Rohde didn't get his head cut off?
@forgetitjake: Honestly, other than some theoretical idea of the 'credibility of journalists'--or more likely an hysterical hatred for the Times--what exactly justifies publicizing the kidnappings when doing so could have harmed the victims? Was there some "public's right to know" that I'm missing? And comparing this situation to releasing the torture photos is specious at best. The kidnappings were an ongoing situation, potentially affected by coverage; lives were at stake. The torture photos chronicle a particular incident in the past. We can debate their release as long as we want, unfettered by real world, human consequences.
@The Cajun Boy: second. it's people's lives, listen to the people who have been there and done that. no fucking around with that. and i am almost always otherwise opposed to authority. not this time. also, see current tv.
@forgetitjake: So if you get kidnapped by the Taliban, you'd want -- no, demand -- the media to cover it, even if your loved ones, employer and the authorities decide it would be in your best interests if it wasn't reported? Just curious if your holier-than-thou attitude about journalistic principles continues as the Taliban slips a burlap bag over your head and a noose around your neck. And at what point during seven months of captivity do you, perhaps, reconsider that it might be okay for a flack and a blogger to arrange to do something very small to keep you alive?
Each action is a drip, drip, drip eroding the facade of legitimacy from this regime. Make no mistake, this is no North Korea, no Syria, no Egypt, no Saudi Arabia. They have a (poorly written) constitution organized around the cult of personality of a dead man, but it is a constitution nonetheless. However, they can no longer stem the tide of history. The average age in Iran is 25; they're ready to participate in the larger world and they see no reason not to. I predict that the armed forces will lose its taste for killing Iranians over the next week or so and push back against the regime. After that happens, all bets are off.
I had no idea how fragile the Iranian government actually is. IMHO they appear to be using a show of force to mask their fear, but no rational person can think that some of these measures are going to quell the protestors. The people over there were moved to this demonstration because the moolas tampered with an election that they had already rigged through the candidate selection. Further provocation by the Iranian government is going to provoke the protestors.
On a personal note, I want to call these people "revolutionaries" so badly. I mean no disrespect when I say that I don't think that they are there yet. I'm not thirsting for blood. I really believe that a lot more good people will be harmed before this is over, but if there has to be a revolution to unseat these oppressors, then I don't want to see them have to start over and relive the first bloody week again.
@ChillbearLatrigue: I think that a group of people qualify as "revolutionaries" when they risk death for their cause. Taking the events of the weekend into consideration, I think they've earned that label.
Amazing.. the Iranian regime is following the same path all authoritarian, dictatorial regimes do, crack down on the people, media, make up stories and denounce anyone who doesn't agree as an enemy of the people...
Until now, the kidnapping has been kept quiet by The Times and other media organizations out of concern for the men's safety.
"From the early days of this ordeal, the prevailing view among David's family, experts in kidnapping cases, officials of several governments and others we consulted was that going public could increase the danger to David and the other hostages. The kidnappers initially said as much," said Bill Keller, the executive editor of The Times.
Keller's understating how effective their news blackout was on Rohde's kidnapping. It had been widely known in the Times newsroom and media circles almost as soon as he was taken hostage; there was a report in the Afghan press and a few mentions on several blogs. For months if you start typing "David Rohde" into Google, the second search it suggests has been "david rohde kidnapped."
Still it never became a big thing like the captivity of Laura Ling and Euna Lee in North Korea because the Times was aggressive in asking outlets not to mention Rohde. When I first called the Times about this back around December, Catherine Mathis asked that we not publish anything because it could put Rohde's life in danger. Put that way, it was hard not to agree.
But still, in this age of the big bad online gossip-mongers, it was surprising to see that the NYT was able to keep so effectively keep the lid on a story.
Of course, that cooperation did not prevent the Times from publishing a pretentious story sneering at "lesser" outlets for putting their reporters in dangerous situations without the massive clout of the New York Times behind them. I am very glad to hear that Rohde is safe, but as they reported it, he escaped by walking over a wall and without any of the "experience and leverage" of an established news organization.
gurl, please! He didn't "just climb over a wall", he escaped from the muthafrakin' Taliban! We'll know the whole story soon, I suppose, but I bet the guy planned this for months and just waited for the right opp. Good for him!
@Aaron Bandy: You know, I kind of doubt it. I think he was trapped there for months, and happened to notice one night when a guard went for a cigg break or something. They'll find a way to turn it into a book with valuable film rights, though, believe you me.
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So tell us, did Gabriel Snyder give the go-ahead for this story after Cathrine Mathis, SVP of Communications at The New York Times Co., emailed him to ask that Gawker run it?
Apologies for the paraphrase!
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Gawker's non-genuflecting posture towards the newspaper of record is well demonstrated at the level of attitude, and attitude is cheap, but now it is destroyed at the level of substance.
Gawker faithfully rags the NY Times about all the predictable things, especially when it comes to its sycophancy towards the affluent and its unprofitability, or whatever else comes in handy as a text for St Nick's repetitious but mostly wholesome sermons about the Death of Print.
But then you get an e-mail from a flack about killing a story and you lie down and spread them.
Gabriel and Gawker made the right call only if killing stories is journalism.
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Nobody cares about your sleep. Sleep on your own time. When you wake up and come to work and expect credibility as a journalist, don't kill stories. Also, don't pull rank on your readers, blogger. When you have more experience as a journalist, you will realize that it is not true that all your readers have to do is read.
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I'm not in an armchair, commenter.
Journalists write about kidnapping -- practically any kidnapping -- because kidnapping is newsworthy, no matter who gets kidnapped. Political kidnapping is not a less newsworthy subset of kidnapping. The only defensible call when a journalist is kidnapped is to do exactly what you would do if a diplomat had been kidnapped, or a banker or a contractor or a ship's crew. Report it accurately and in a timely fashion.
If your own employee or colleague is kidnapped, in that case you are a party to the event and your obligations are different. (Nobody ever told you how this works?) But if the victim is not your employee or colleague, you have to report it -- unless you are willing to tell your readers that you write what interested parties and their flacks tell you you can write.
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David Rohde's kidnapping was not reported, and now he is alive.
So was the Times' position that not publicizing Rohde's kidnapping would help save his life correct? I dunno. But this much is indisputable fact: Unlike Pearl, Rohde didn't get his head cut off. So I'd have to give the benefit of the doubt on this one to the Times (and to Gawker and other outlets that chose not to report on Rohde's kidnapping).
I also find this to be kind of a strange point for you to get all hostile-angry with Gawker about. They did it so some guy wouldn't die, and the guy isn't dead.
Was some great harm done by keeping this particular story quiet? Are you just really pissed that Rohde didn't get his head cut off?
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On a personal note, I want to call these people "revolutionaries" so badly. I mean no disrespect when I say that I don't think that they are there yet. I'm not thirsting for blood. I really believe that a lot more good people will be harmed before this is over, but if there has to be a revolution to unseat these oppressors, then I don't want to see them have to start over and relive the first bloody week again.
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"From the early days of this ordeal, the prevailing view among David's family, experts in kidnapping cases, officials of several governments and others we consulted was that going public could increase the danger to David and the other hostages. The kidnappers initially said as much," said Bill Keller, the executive editor of The Times.
Keller's understating how effective their news blackout was on Rohde's kidnapping. It had been widely known in the Times newsroom and media circles almost as soon as he was taken hostage; there was a report in the Afghan press and a few mentions on several blogs. For months if you start typing "David Rohde" into Google, the second search it suggests has been "david rohde kidnapped."
Still it never became a big thing like the captivity of Laura Ling and Euna Lee in North Korea because the Times was aggressive in asking outlets not to mention Rohde. When I first called the Times about this back around December, Catherine Mathis asked that we not publish anything because it could put Rohde's life in danger. Put that way, it was hard not to agree.
But still, in this age of the big bad online gossip-mongers, it was surprising to see that the NYT was able to keep so effectively keep the lid on a story.
Of course, that cooperation did not prevent the Times from publishing a pretentious story sneering at "lesser" outlets for putting their reporters in dangerous situations without the massive clout of the New York Times behind them. I am very glad to hear that Rohde is safe, but as they reported it, he escaped by walking over a wall and without any of the "experience and leverage" of an established news organization.
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Once You're Lucky, Twice You're Good.