They NEED each other in order to have a villain, grow a following, build their ratings, and command high salaries. Don't believe the hype. #keitholbermann
@Gawkerati: CNN tilts to the left? You're kidding. What anywhere else in the world would be considered center-right at most gets considered "left" here. Meanwhile, yes, MSNBC skews mildly left in terms of its overall editorial viewpoint. But neither even approaches the level of totally ideologically-driven propaganda at which Fox News consistently operates.
However, even that is beside the point, really. Because my problem with Fox isn't that it's conservative. They have every right to be as conservative as they like, if they'd only be honest about it. What they don't have a right to do is to consistently misrepresent opinion as fact, misreport events, and create news, while pretending to be a "fair and balanced" source of information. #keitholbermann
@MissNormaDesmond: I'll agree with everything you said, but lately MSNBC has been more than listing to the left, especially in primetime and though CNN has lost some of their lustre due to budget cuts , I'd still put them closer to the middle of the road. #keitholbermann
@MissNormaDesmond: Totally agree. And keep in mind that both Shuster and Matthews routinely interview the most insane far right assholes as people having legitimate political opinions. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you former Bush/Cheney bag man and total nutcase Frank Gaffney, who famously said this year that Saddam Hussein was behind the Oklahoma City bombing. There is no corollary to that on the left, none. That's just insane.
@Mediahohoho: I've never seen Olbermann cry when discussing republicans, the way I see Beck cry when discussing Obama. I feel like crying every time that "person of color" John Boehner opens his mouth.
People can call MSNBC "left leaning" but they regularly give Pat Buchanan airtime for his crazy old time republican nonsense, and Joe Scarborough (un)Fair his own show. The best that Fox could do was let Alan Colmes meekly defend the left from time to time. #keitholbermann
@MissNormaDesmond: You are either blind, deaf and dumb...or I don't know what. MSNBC is 'mildly skewed' to the left? Have you ever watched the tv channel before? Olbermann is going to be getting the Nobel Prize in 2010 for "Righteous Liberal Indignation". Closely edging out Maddow. But not to worry, Ed Schultz, David Schuster and Chris Matthews are total right wingers. #keitholbermann
@Lance Uppercut: No, you're just someone who's bought into the insanity that is American politics, where right is now center and full-on reactionary wingnuttery is treated as valid commentary. What I said was that this is how these people would be perceived anywhere else in the world, and I stand by that. #keitholbermann
It's called Invidiocy, and it works. Sometimes. However, when Henry Kissinger had his 700-page alibi coming out at the same time as Eddie Fisher's autobiog, he sought to dismiss as a lightweight the former husband of Liz Taylor, and it didn't catch. Nobody read Henry's masterwork. Boo-hoo. #keitholbermann
Five bucks says more than half of you have not a clue about living in this utopian mecca you've made universal health care out to be. And yet, somehow, you wear this hilarious conviction that it is the answer.
Having practiced at an NHS hospital in Manchester, UK, I'll tell you no system is perfect. And, newsflash, whether you're talking about Denmark, Sweden, UK, or Canada there are brazen inequities.
No one is actually entitled to anything in life. No one TODAY is innately entitled to care from a doctor anymore than people were thousands of years ago (ohhh, all those uninsured cavemen and women! how did they do it?!) . We've decided we'll fight for people's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Fair enough. But I'm not going to fight for your right to demand that a doctor treat you. As cold as it is to say, the frank reality is it's not a human right.
The truth of the matter is we have a system that, for all its flaws, works for most. There are free-market solutions to address cost and aid the uninsured and under-insured. If you don't want to hear it, you don't want to hear it.
@crooked_teeth: What exactly are those 'free-market solutions' to aid the un and under-insured? I DO want to hear it (I mean, you had the space). The emergency room? That's the only one I can think of and that's hardly any kind of real 'solution', medically or economically. And you're fine 'fighting for people's right to pursue happiness' but not health care? Well guess what: people tend to be pretty unhappy when they have a toothache for two years because they can't afford to go to a dentist or go bankrupt because they were in an accident or have to sell their house to pay for their child to have a heart operation. And if basic health care isn't a human right in a civilized society I'm honestly not sure what is. (How do you feel about the fire department?) Not to mention: what exactly is this "right to life" you're fine fighting for (begrudgingly, apparently) if it has nothing at all to do with health?
@crooked_teeth: Ah, yes. The Fox News method: start with a premise that's a complete lie, and you get to say anything! Fun!
But anyone with firing synapses is bound to realize that nobody thinks universal health care will be a "utopian mecca."
They *will* argue, however, that it absolutely *is* a human right. And you might mount a reasonable argument against that idea -- but nothing you said actually addresses it at all. You basically just used several dozen words to say "me no like universal health care. And also, Liberty good"
The reason that what you say sounds cold (basically, "I got mine, and everyone else can go to hell") is because it *is* cold. Heartless, really, but also clueless. Come back in 15 or 20 years and tell us how well the system is still going for "most."
@Rob Yeahok: Name one society in which this doesn't happen in one form or another. Too bad for you you have to live on the planet with other humans, eh?
@Muggs Bigglesworth: i definitely came to this gossip site to hear how a pundit should act like a real newsman in order to fix healthcare for the nation.
Have you given any thought to actually fact-checking what Olbermann said, or is your point that he shouldn't have chosen the medium he did for that message? It's true that there aren't very many hour-long single-subject op-eds on TV these days. But does that doesn't mean there shouldn't be?
You guys should have listened closer to what Olbermann was saying instead of how he was saying it. He made several good points about healthcare; he's seen it firsthand from dealing with his father's illness over the last month and a half.
I thought he did a great job last night.
@zagger: I agree. Keith can be a gas bag, but I don't hear anyone else out there taking up this fight. As more and more people in our industry lose their jobs, this is going to affect more people we know rather than that big uninsured "other."
I think he had a brilliant idea about raising money to fund those massive third-world-style free clinics in Blue Dog Democrat states.
@HaysiFantayzee: yep, keith is a gasbag, but he's a pundit, that is the point. pundit acting like pundit, is not really funny. i'm kind of confused how they keep going for olbermann, and MISSING so badly. there is plenty there, "he talked about health care for an hour, hrumph" is just lame.
So? About 45,000 people die every year because they lack health insurance. I'm fairly sure those are the deaths to which he was referring. Or maybe it was the infant deaths that put us 36th in the world for infant mortality. Can't say, I didn't see the whole thing.
Keith,you think health care is bad.Disguise youself and try an inner city ER,hell,try any ER,claim some backpain or stomach ache,if you say chest pain you get a little better service,be sure to mention you don't have insurance,if you think you and your father are being treated badly see how most of the real U.S.citizens are treated.J.Mix,, Connecticut
In a media landscape where Glenn Beck & Fox News have done so much damage to the health care debate by not only indulging in the lies and deception propagated by the insurance industry, but of helping to organize mass tea bagger rallies, you’re really gonna fault the guy for trying to use one of his broadcasts to actually do some good and inject some humanity and compassion into the discussion? I thought I was cynical, but you’ve obviously got sharks’ teeth, Play Doh and melba toast where your heart should be (I hope you have health insurance to look into that BTW). I for one am gonna donate to The National Association of Free Clinics that he mentioned in an attempt to put some pressure on key legislatures who’re holding up the bill. [www.freeclinics.us]
@no I said no I won't no: It's more than that, though. It's one thing, even if not malicious, to inject the idea of evenhandedness as though reason is always in the middle. It's not.
Yes, he is a bit over the top and likely fairly full of himself at times, he is at least accurate and truthful.
Throwing mud at Glenn Beck for doing what he does (attempting to trick, destroy and terrorize America?) is different than someone going on TV trying to set the record with any luck try to bring a level of rational discussion to the debate.
While Olbermann clearly likes using big words while talking about big issues, I think his special comment was actually a refreshing take on an issue that is so convoluted and obscured most people don't want to be bothered thinking about it. The Affleck impersonation was awesome and spot on, but at the very least Keith is sincere in his outrage and noticeable sadness at such a disparate system that allows people to live in pain and even die b/c they can't afford to get better.
@huntalison: how do you know he is actually sincere? can you just tell? because to me, until you start DOING something about an issue, you're just not that into it. and talking about it when you're paid A LOT to talk about it does not count.
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However, even that is beside the point, really. Because my problem with Fox isn't that it's conservative. They have every right to be as conservative as they like, if they'd only be honest about it. What they don't have a right to do is to consistently misrepresent opinion as fact, misreport events, and create news, while pretending to be a "fair and balanced" source of information. #keitholbermann
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People can call MSNBC "left leaning" but they regularly give Pat Buchanan airtime for his crazy old time republican nonsense, and Joe Scarborough (un)Fair his own show. The best that Fox could do was let Alan Colmes meekly defend the left from time to time. #keitholbermann
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Having practiced at an NHS hospital in Manchester, UK, I'll tell you no system is perfect. And, newsflash, whether you're talking about Denmark, Sweden, UK, or Canada there are brazen inequities.
No one is actually entitled to anything in life. No one TODAY is innately entitled to care from a doctor anymore than people were thousands of years ago (ohhh, all those uninsured cavemen and women! how did they do it?!) . We've decided we'll fight for people's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Fair enough. But I'm not going to fight for your right to demand that a doctor treat you. As cold as it is to say, the frank reality is it's not a human right.
The truth of the matter is we have a system that, for all its flaws, works for most. There are free-market solutions to address cost and aid the uninsured and under-insured. If you don't want to hear it, you don't want to hear it.
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But anyone with firing synapses is bound to realize that nobody thinks universal health care will be a "utopian mecca."
They *will* argue, however, that it absolutely *is* a human right. And you might mount a reasonable argument against that idea -- but nothing you said actually addresses it at all. You basically just used several dozen words to say "me no like universal health care. And also, Liberty good"
The reason that what you say sounds cold (basically, "I got mine, and everyone else can go to hell") is because it *is* cold. Heartless, really, but also clueless. Come back in 15 or 20 years and tell us how well the system is still going for "most."
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Your opinion on Olbermann's actions last night is in the minority, where the average IQ is 5.
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THE NERVE.
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I thought he did a great job last night.
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I think he had a brilliant idea about raising money to fund those massive third-world-style free clinics in Blue Dog Democrat states.
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He said a lot of what many wish they had the forum to say it on.
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[www.freeclinics.us]
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Yes, he is a bit over the top and likely fairly full of himself at times, he is at least accurate and truthful.
Throwing mud at Glenn Beck for doing what he does (attempting to trick, destroy and terrorize America?) is different than someone going on TV trying to set the record with any luck try to bring a level of rational discussion to the debate.
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