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    Image of braak: You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    Also, can we finally start tracking gym classes? I get that there are all kinds of arguments why maybe you shouldn't separate smart kids out from lame kids in English, but gym, really?

    If you just let the hyper-competitive jocks be their own god-damn gym class, and let the rest of us do some tai-chi or some shit, everyone would be happier about exercise.
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    Image of kappakappaspankme kappakappaspankme
    12/01/09

    @braak: It seems like a lot of the comments are dealing with chubby teenagers who may have other issues contributing to their disdain for movement - like general adolescence. What about the elementary and tween set where children are more likely to engage in "play" as opposed to "blood sport?" Aren't they equally podgy?

    I'm not sure if this was regional or a sign of the times (I grew up in) but I recall the President's Physical Fitness Program (or something like that) where all of us little ones had to engage in minimal strength training and aerobic exercise in gym class - primarily before middle school. Do programs like this no longer exist?
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    At the risk of sounding like Bill Maher (really - it pains me to write this), aside from the complete inertia of today's kiddos, I find fault with all of the chemicals we're pumping into little Billy and Sally. Not necessarily chemicals from food but chemicals from all of the mood altering meds fed to kids like Smarties were fed to some of us long-toothers. It's no secret that most anti-depressants/anti-anxiety meds pack on the pounds and create chunkers out of otherwise lithe people.

    Yes - these children need to get off their rears and move around. The neighbourhood bus stop is stacked with minivans and EnviroCrusher 3000s full of mommies and daddies who won't let there spawn walk to the phucking bus stop. That said - the go-to solution for behavioural problems these days is a fistful of pills. Pills that make you fat, slovenly, etc... regardless of age.
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    12/01/09

    @kappakappaspankme: I just can't agree with your basic premise since the drug group that appears to be most over-prescribed is ADD/ADHD meds and those have the opposite effect in terms of food in general.
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    12/01/09

    @Charlotte Rae's Web: Not exactly. [www.rollingstone.com]

    Now - this appeared in Rolling Stone in February. Imagine how long it's actually been discussed among doctors, therapists, educators and the like.
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    12/01/09

    @kappakappaspankme: Zyprexa is nowhere near as common as Ritalin, Adderoll and the like.
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    12/01/09

    @Charlotte Rae's Web: OK. You win. No more worrying about anti-depressants and anti-psychotics being prescribed for the children of America.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    I remember having to take fitness tests in 6th grade. There were also several recesses a day; long, exercise-encouraged recesses. 7th-12th, we were required to take a PE class each semester.
    They don't do these anymore.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    As a former fat kid (with ongoing large motor skills gaps) I am in favor of this. Teaching physical education and nutrition as the foundation of a healthy lifetime, rather than an arena for humiliating people who aren't going to be competitive athletes. Yoga? Why not? Pilates? Yupper. Maybe get some tai chi and kettle bells in there, among other things, and more people might be happier overall and less of a burden to the health system.
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    12/01/09

    @Smitros: more kettle bells, less kettle chips
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    I just want to throttle parents who are grossly overweight and have LITTLE kids who are already overweight. The kids probably are destined to remain struggling for life with their weight and the problems it causes. As everyone else has already stated, years ago we played outside, didn't sit on our asses playing video games and didn't get fast food several times a week.
    Every experience in America now centers around packing your piehole with crap. God forbid you should go to a store like Home Depot or Barnes and Noble without being able to mindlessly graze.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    so, are they going to put fat kids on their own short - yet wide - bus?
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    12/01/09

    @BadUncle: A stubby for the chubby.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    That NES controller with with the round directional pad absolutely SUCKED. (I think it was the NES MAX.)

    In fact, I would go so far as to say the original standard NES controller is one of the greatest things Japan has ever produced.
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    12/01/09

    @Botswana Meat Commission FC: What about tiny, tiny erasers? Or kamikaze pilots?
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    12/01/09

    @Botswana Meat Commission FC: but it had turbo buttons!
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    12/01/09

    @noahjacquemin: That's just for lazy (fat) kids with slow thumbs.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    Having just returned from Europe, all I can say is thank goodness someone is doing something about America's next generation of fatties. There wasn't an obese child or adult in the entire city of Dublin, but my goodness was that airplane filled to the brim with supersized 'mericans.
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    12/01/09

    @misslinda: Well, apparently the Brits aren't paying attention to the Irish much...

    [www.ox.ac.uk]
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    12/01/09

    @misslinda: That's because the British still take all the fat Irish babies, eat them and make gloves of their skin.
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    Image of misslinda misslinda
    12/01/09

    @NightElfMohawk: Ah, see I didn't say they weren't overweight, I said they weren't obese. There were no Lane Bryants, plus sized clothing departments, or motorized scooters because the general population was a normal size. While that might qualify as overweight by some measures, it certainly wasn't what you see on a trip to Mall of America for instance.
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    12/01/09

    @misslinda: I just returned from Paris yesterday (yes, be jealous) and the portions are literally half of what we're used to here. I ate generously the week I was there (croissants, full-fat yogurts, wine, and whatever else I wanted) and still lost about four pounds.

    By comparison the croissant I got at Starbucks this morning was like a loaf of bread -- you could have fit three croissants from Paul inside of it.
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    12/01/09

    @meechybee: That's so funny, after my last visit to Paris (I think 3 years ago) I decided to go on a Parisian Diet which I defined as "eat half a portion of whatever the heck you want." So whatever meal was placed in front of me, whether at home or at a restaurant, I split in half. I was never hungry and never stuffed. Also, I bought smaller plates.
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    Yeah, I'm calling kids today pansies. I can recall several instances of being downright threatened to exercise during school. And probably because of the horrors suffered, I didn't gain a "freshman fifteen" in college and most of us stayed pretty trim, didn't eat a lot of garbage (Vending machines didn't exist in my high school. What? You want a snack? Cut class and go to 7Eleven or suck it up with a water fountain until 3pm.), and mostly didn't complain. Exercise... just was.

    Not saying it was all fitness nirvana (See Pins or People rant below) but mostly we learned some shit about not being slothing maniacs. Here's a list:

    1) Gymnastics
    2) Weight training
    3) Flag Football (I'm a girl)
    4) Track and Field
    5) Aerobics
    6) Volleyball/Badminton
    7) Softball
    8) Basketball
    9) Field Hockey/Lacrosse/Soccer

    And of course, square dancing, kick ball, and jumping rope. AND we took showers. (This we fought everyday, but oh, so, necessary. Ever been in a classroom with twenty-five 13 year olds?)

    Kids are getting off too easy, too early.
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    12/01/09

    @Spirit Fingers: I second that.
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    Image of braak: You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/01/09

    @Spirit Fingers: Oh, you're a girl? I didn't know that.

    I think all gym classes should be replaced with Kung Fu.
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    12/01/09

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: Kung Fu would be pretty excellent actually, but I'm thinking an untold amount of lawsuits could follow. Imagine if you could've roundhouse kicked some little fuckwad in the face as a pre-teen. I so would have.
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    12/01/09

    @Spirit Fingers: Hm. A valid point, though I'm not sure that ability had anything to do with how many fights I got into as a kid. I didn't know how to throw a roundhouse, but I was happy to bite some fuckers in the eye.
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    12/01/09

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: Hm. Biting in the eye...effective. But perhaps not as rewarding as a running mule kick to the sternum.

    I likes to work with mah feet.
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    12/01/09

    @Spirit Fingers: I was working a shock-and-awe reputation in those days. I figured, skinny guy like me, the only way I'd be safe in high school is if I had a reputation as some crazy little bastard who would try and eat your face.

    Nobody wants to be a part of that, you know?
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    I see you've found a photo of General Winfield Scott IX, commander of the Galactic Infantry and military governor of Tatooine.
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    12/01/09

    @Swifter: It's a trap!
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    Also, BMI is a flawed scale to base someone's health on. Such as my brother. Since he hit his teens and final growth spurt, he topped out at 5'10" and the lightest he's been in that time has been 190 (still in "overweight" on the BMI). And he was skiiiiii-nay at 190, worried the heck out of the family. According to the BMI scale, he should be in the 150s to be at optimal health, but were he to be that light, he'd have to basically look like he's been starving himself. He's in the lower 200s now, but the boy's got muscles on him like crazy, and his actual body fat percentage is pretty low too.
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    12/01/09

    @NightElfMohawk: Agreed. There has to be a better way to measure fatness.
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    12/01/09

    @NightElfMohawk: There are exceptions to BMI but if you look at the overall rates it's still a good measure of who is overweight. Some people have more muscle (bodybuilders, for example). I guarantee 95% of teens with an overweight/obese BMI actually are overweight /obese.
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    12/01/09

    @NightElfMohawk: True, but it's a decent way to measure a lot of people. There will be exceptions, but at least they can determine who may be at risk this way.
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    12/01/09

    @PamBeesley: They *can*. But will they choose to, or will they keep going about the lazy way and just say "if you're over this number, no dice"? I have a feeling that lazy wins...
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    @pollyannacowgirl: BMI is just an easy initial screen. In the vast majority of cases, it will accurately predict actual obesity, because most people are not muscular or particularly heavy of bone.

    Once BMI has raised the suspicion, more accurate (and expensive) tests of body fat can be performed.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    its a combination of a whole lot of things.

    1) PE along with art and music is almost always the first thing to be cut. There are schools with good sports teams yet have no general PE due to budget cuts.

    2) Processed foods. Both at home and likely in the Cafeteria. With the cost of food prep skyrocketing, almost all districts use some form of a food service group and likely its bided out so the CHEAPEST group gets the bid. Well its cheap for a reason people.

    3) Parental fear mongering. Parents are WAY too fearful of everything. Basically pussyfying their children. Kids dont go outside, are not forced to be active, and sit in front of the boob tube all day. Both the medical field AND the media are as much to blame for this one.
    3a) I would also include general lazy parenting to this too. Easier to watch their kids pay their 360 than to look out a window.

    4) There is NO demand to be in shape. Being overweight is acceptable. Mind you the twist to this one is being FAT still isnt.

    And for the US the biggest factor I think in all of this is the fact that schools are given all the responsibilities of being the parent, yet have absolutely no authority or respect in BEING THE PARENT. God forbid you tell little Johnny he needs to loose the weight, the parents would have their lawyers ramming down the door with their briefcases.

    Back when I went to school which given my 10 year was this past Sat, wasnt too long ago, our teachers told it like it was. My gym teacher had EXPLICIT permission from my parents to KICK MY ASS if I got out of line. And you bet your ass he did.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: Re: point 4

    Right, there is a big difference between accepting that not everyone can live up to some unacheivable ideal, thereby accepting that people have varying body types versus saying that there is nothing wrong with being morbidly obese. Everyone has a different healthy weight. For some people, that is a size 2, for others a size 12, but I am sure that it is not a size 28 for anyone but a small minority of people.
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    12/01/09

    @Tchotchke: *unachievable.

    But every single time something of this nature is posted on Jezebel, you are accused of being "fattist" for disagreeing with the principle that being obese is healthy and that those who are obese can/should do nothing about it.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: The only thing PE provides to kids is a school-sanctioned opportunity for the bigger, more athletic, popular kids to beat the living shit out of the unpopular kids with the full support of supervising adults.

    The only kids who burned calories in PE were the kids who were going to play intramural sports and beat up more kids after school anyway.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: Re: point 4.

    This is hotly debated. Personally, I think there SHOULD be shame in being morbidly obese.

    There is no reason for it. I'm not saying everyone has to be the same, but I see children with huge guts and cellulite. That is just plain WRONG.

    If you've been on this earth eating and drinking with abandon for 40 years, I can understand. I don't condone it, but I understand the cumulative damage.

    But for CHILDREN? with their lightning-quick metabolisms and brand-new digestive systems? That is shameful
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    12/01/09

    @Tchotchke: I think what gets me about the "fattist" label is the defeatist attitude that permeates around it. Yes, obviously not everyone is meant to be a size 2, but most people should be okay if they eat healthy and move around a little. And this is coming from someone who has an endocrine disorder, and only figured something was wrong when I gained 50 pounds despite exercising maniacally and eating only whole foods trying to reverse the problem. If I had sat on my ass and moped I would have been clueless about it. You SHOULD feel guilty if you don't exercise or eat like shit. You SHOULD NOT just say whatevs, I'm eating a pie for dinner, fuck it it's in my DNA. We shouldn't not say these things for fear of triggering a few people who can't effectively process this information. That's the problem: we only look at the two extreme types of people and ignore the rest.
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    12/01/09

    @bananaballs: Something that has been stated over and over again on the Jezebel posts by one of the writers is that if you try to lose weight, it will only be temporary because being obese is your natural state.

    That concept boils my blood like none other, because as you said, it's defeatist and also, not necessarily true. Yes, most people will never look like a model regardless of how much they monitor their caloric intake and exercise, but no one is claiming that they could. Crash dieting is ineffective, but a lifestyle make over can be extremely effective. Again, you can be in great physical shape and eat healthily and be a size 12. However, aside from a small minority, I have an exceedingly difficult time believing everyone who tells me that they are "very active and eat healthily" and yet are a size 28.

    I think there should be greater acceptance of a broad range of body types, but at the same time, it bothers me that people cherry-pick medical studies to justify their obesity and claim it is healthier than being thin.
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    12/01/09

    @Tchotchke: Yeah, it pisses me off, too. If you're a size 28 and you work out, then you should see a fucking doctor because your knees will look like an unassembled jigsaw puzzle by the time you're 40.
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    12/01/09

    @Colonel Mustard: Bullshit. We worked out. Everyone did. The only "contest" we had in gym was who would get the Presidents physical fitness award by fulfilling the goals.

    We played games, but it was one half the class vs the other, and other than playful ribbing if you made a crappy shot, even the "geeks" like I was back then was not threatened in PE.

    But then I had a gym teacher who was old school and cared. He not only taught me and my sister, but taught my mother and then mentored her when she became a gym teacher herself.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: Did you go to school in a Norman Rockwell painting, by any chance?
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    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    Dad?!?!???
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    12/01/09

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    I've often wondered what it would mean for future generations to learn yoga and Pilates rather than dodge ball (a game I loathed) in physical education. I like to fantasize that war would become unnecessary if respect for the human body and desire for optimum health in our culture was inched up a few notches.
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    12/01/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: keep dreaming. The same people who invented Yoga are the same people who are having a mini cold war with their next door neighbor using nuclear weapons
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: Interesting point! I was actually commenting on American culture as dependent on a "pill to fix" and "surgery to cure" rather than the higher power of yoga. I just see the current method of teaching kids physical fitness as violent and pointless--like war!
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    12/01/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: we actually tried to get some of the charter schools a couple of years ago to start offering (yoga/pilates) as a form of physical education but it went on deaf ears. One principal said he mentioned it to the board and a few of them thought it was a practice that was associated with Asian cults.
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    12/01/09

    @Buttafooco: Maybe they should have sold it as "Joseph Pilates was commissioned to train Hitler's army*," and they would have given it a thumbs up?

    *True fact, although Pilates quit abruptly when he realized he didn't quite share their world view.
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    12/01/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: the sad bit is that it wasn't some hick city in the middle of nowhere....... it was the Upper East Side.
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    12/01/09

    @Buttafooco: Charter school on the UES? Okay, now I'm depressed.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: I love that you construe India as a monolithic, homogeneous nation-state. It is nothing of that sort.
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    12/01/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: @Buttafooco: Yoga for little kids would be the best thing in the world! It's not just a physical discipline that demands effort and commitment but it truly puts you in touch with your body. You don't even have to be an advanced yogi to develop a sense of gratitude and caring for your body. And once that happens, you're less likely to abuse this miraculous machine that carries you (ie, your brain) through the world, day in and day out, without complaint.
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    12/01/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: Yoga is part of the PE program at the Chicago public elementary school my kids go to. The gym teacher is really into it too. He's also in amazing shape for a guy who is pushing 50 and a far cry from the pit bull-type gym teachers I had to suffer through.
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    12/01/09

    @snugbug: [www.storytimeyoga.com]

    I admire the work of this lady. Kids need to be challenged mentally and physically and what she's doing is both.

    @pumpkinsoup: He's teaching them without "teaching" them--by example. They have it as an extra-curricular activity at a few of the more progressive schools here in Austin, but it's not part of the curriculum (that I know of).
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    Image of bboston88 bboston88
    12/01/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: If they'd try Pilates just one time they'd realize how much it kicks your ass, and your abs.
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    Image of Buttafooco Buttafooco
    12/01/09

    @snugbug: when I began studying, I was 4 years old and it wasn't by choice. I showed very little interest initially but as time went by, I began to see and feel the benefits and never looked back. I think as with anything, getting children to initially show some interest may be the biggest obstacle.
    Paisley Bug or Snug Pajamas Yoga for Kids does have a nice ring to it.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: are you on the board of the UES charter schools?
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    12/01/09

    @snugbug: I love how you took a snarky comment meant as a joke to actually be serious.

    That being said why you are certainly right, that India is certainly not a homogeneous state, the fact DOES remain that Yoga came from India, and as such this statement "I like to fantasize that war would become unnecessary if respect for the human body and desire for optimum health in our culture was inched up a few notches. " proves that it doesnt matter how enlightened a people are, the human nature of war remains.

    Fighting is an instinct, not something we "learn." Put a person into a room and have him attacked by an animal, and he will most certainly attempt to fight it off with no prior knowledge of warfare."

    Replace that animal with a man and multiply them by hundreds and you have a war.
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    12/01/09

    @Jim Topoleski: Oh, dude. Leave me outta this. I was trying to make a point about the violent behavior that is taught as part of physical education, which is completely out of place in public school while underscoring the piss-poor job adults are doing of selecting "happy-funtimes" activities for kids. Big disconnect there.
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    Image of NoWireHangers NoWireHangers
    12/01/09

    In reply to How Are We Whipping Our Kids Into Fighting Shape?
    Yoga? Nutrition? Ha! None of these kids are being forced. We were forced in Illinois, the only state (maybe still) that had a Physical Education requirement for every year of school until you graduated. (Probably b/c we love deep dish pizza and hot dogs). The trauma lasts for years people. Middle school square dancing, junior high volleyball, high school co-ed swimming, all while clad in ugly ass uniforms. 1st period high school PE that fucks up your makeup and freshly curled bangs. Yearly fitness exams: they weighed you in front of your classmates! Yoga? Ha. Hahahahahaha! I'd have cut a bitch for a yoga option in 7th grade. We played Pickle Ball. Do you even know what that is?!
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    Image of Mo MoDo Mo MoDo
    12/01/09

    @NoWireHangers: I don't recall ever breaking a sweat in high school gym. There were always ways to avoid real exertion. Archery was our favorite unit.
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12/01/09

    @NoWireHangers: I'll raise you Pickle Ball and offer Pins or People. Think of Dodge Ball and Bowling. What does dodge ball have to do with bowling you ask? Well nothing, of course. Just a way for the Neo-Nazi terrorists that ran public schools to infuse a game where the object is to take a ball and glean it off the head of some child and combine it with also throwing said balls at bowling pins scattered precariously around a gymnasium making ankle-turning little land mines for the randomly running victim, panicked and stunned by mottled rubber bouncing off their cheek bones.

    Yeah.
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    Image of pumpkinsoup pumpkinsoup
    12/01/09

    @NoWireHangers: I grew up in Michigan, which doesn't require their students to take yearly PE, but our school was one of the few that did. First period gym was the worst. That and the communal showers and the locker rooms with no privacy whatsoever. And showers were required. We used to dash through the running water so that our skin would look wet to trick the locker room matron.

    I still traumatized from playing 8th grade co-ed volleyball and boys spiking the ball in my face.
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