You know what slays me? How when people read about stories like this they immediately let loose with some riff on how "kids today are fucked and here's why..." I have some serious news for you: kids today are no different than from any age in which you or I come from. One of the reasons you're seeing a bumper crop of teenage witches, pre-adolescent bitches, and warlocks seemingly weened on the Grand Tit of Belligerence is because the art of parenting is dead and gone. They have joined the endangered species list. Why? Because they refuse to grow up themselves, to take the reins of parental authority they are duty-bound to grip but loath to accept because to do so ages them by implication. There is nothing "hot" about being an authority figure in their jaundiced eyes. So they try to be their kids' friends, and what you're seeing is the direct outgrowth of that approach. It is a recipe for disaster, tweaked to a T...
Their only defense? The shit-farm we call a culture here in the United States. What are these kids nursed on when it comes to cultural values, so that no matter what good-faith effort a beleaguered parent makes, they are riding into a stiff headwind? Reality TV, Extreme Anything, and the blind hope that some day you may get to make a sex tape that is bought by TMZ. The American Dream has become a national nocturnal emission, replete with a cold and scuzzy residue that no amount of turning away will relieve.
@TheSometimesWhy: OK, maybe I'm just dumb but I'll take your bait here: How do you know so much about parents' goals, and how often those goals include becoming their kids' "friends"?
I would consider that statement extremely hard to substantiate -- what parent is going to admit to it? Thus you're left with what you've observed about parenting...95% of which takes place behind closed doors.
So your statement probably has meaning only to the extent that you've shared living quarters with a large and representative sample of families. And if that's really what you're claiming you've done, then I'm quite interested to know more details.
@skahammer: Dear Ska, There is no bait in my post. I am a witness to what I see. A blind dead guy would see as much. Without boring you with details, let's just say I "work with the public" from a vantage point that allows me to view many parents and their progeny in a situation in which that dynamic is (or at least should be) in clear focus. And what I see chills me. To say there has been a cultural abdication of the role that parenting requires is to me almost a rank understatement.
There are too many tentacles to this octopus to go into here. The fact that a parent can't or won't admit what I observe of their behavior doesn't absolve them of it. And you may claim that the fact that I observe this behavior in them doesn't necessarily make it so, either, but I have one thing you don't--stark circumstantial evidence that nobody's home, literally and figuratively, these days when it comes to performing the tasks that a parent is charged with.
Things like disciplining a child, socializing them, helping them understand that when they are out in public, there is a different standard of conduct they are held to, because, guess what? Society requires it. And when that standard isn't met, society is diminished. It literally unravels.
Maybe you don't see any of the signs I am referring to. Then again, maybe you live on another planet and ride a unicorn. But because you doubt me, next time you're out and about, look around for a family that functions as it should: one where the members are loving, respectful, engaged by each other, and act like members of a group that recognizes itself by the way they act. Then maintain that vigil, and see how long it is between the time you saw the first group that met that standard and the time you noticed the second one.
@TheSometimesWhy: Yeah, but she was meaning that mechanic's helper on the Isle de la Cite who wasn't there because of the war he'd just returned from, and that's why they're lost, according to the shop owner. They never were civilized. Civilization is a three-step process. Papa described it as Devout as choir boys, then Cynical as night club owners, then returning to Devout through Cynicism, like a loose canon. If you're in war, then you never ever doubt your early rejection of civilization. And you never see the sense of spending your day working on a strange lady's Ford.
Everybody except Basket is over 13 in the works of Gertrude Stein.
@Tremonius: I concur wholeheartedly, Tremmie, but for the fact that the Gertrude Stein I was referencing was a character in an episode of the old Gomer Pyle TV show. Gomer and his buddy were off on a three-day furlough when they tried to hitch a ride into town with the Sarge. Not surprisingly, hilarity and high jinks ensued. Gertie (as she was known in that episode) was a cabaret singer at the PX on base, doling out witticisms as potent as the hooch in her glass.
But I digress...
I do appreciate what has to be the most literate response to something I have ever said here at Gawker. Truth to tell, you have now shamed me into going back to get my PhD, which will no doubt enable me to comprehend the full scope of your insights.
@TheSometimesWhy: I sure appreciate the flattery, but neither my odd notions nor me myself are known inhabitants of any classroom. There are about five possible sources for Dialectical Doo-Wah, but really they're more endemic than acadmic, and more anemic than either.
Aside from normal teenage crap, she's probably acting out anger over the divorce, but if he thinks she's a problem now, "giving up" and "leaving her alone" will only result in ten times the problem in the upcoming years---though it will get a lot of middle-aged men laid as she works out her issues through college and into her 20's.
This girl sounds like she's got a really promising career as a cast member of Rock of Love or a high school English teacher who goes on to get caught fornicating with her students.
This is unfortunate. And despite the knowledge and truth that most of us wouldn't necessarily see anything wrong with a lone 13 year old riding the subway...I wonder what's happened to us where we can see a child by themselves and overlook him.
Like whenever we see obviously young children posturing by their lonesome, when they're selling candy ("I'm not selling candy for no basketball team."), dancing and doing tricks in dirty jeans and t-shirts, or riding in a group when it's clearly school hours. We usually just roll our eyes. Perhaps we shell out a dollar, but really we don't take into consideration that it isn't safe, that they are still babies, really, and that they should be protected, and not disregarded as the "culture" of subway travel.
I know, we as adults should be asking questions of the kids, but that could be dangerous too. Perhaps ACS really needs to start working with transit, so that we stop looking at independent children as merely annoyances, entertainment, or "par for the course."
The time or two I have attempted to provide assistance to children in NYC, I have been greeted by indifference at best. Including the time I saved a toddler from GALLOPING into traffic on Lexington while his parents were at least half a block behind us. So I typically just leave kids alone. Plus, I don't think most reasonable people would assume a 13-year-old looks too young to ride the subway by himself, except perhaps late at night.
I'm about to hop on the train to go to work. Please, no one say hi to me. Strangers who talk to me on the train, other than to get directions, kind of weird me out.
Like someone said further downthread - it probably didn't seem so unusual to the people who were on the train for 10 minutes. And I think most people spend their time on the train reading or zoning out.
When you've got lots of people crammed in a small space, it's the only real alternative. I prefer when people ignore me on the train - it's an acknowledgment that we're involuntarily in each other's personal space and we're trying as much as possible not to intrude.
If he was sitting up napping, with headphones on, he probably looked like every other teenager on the train.
Yes, it's a very sad story and I do think the parents are having a hard time trying to figure out what to do. His mother says as much. He was diagnosed with Asperger's only a few years ago.
Were the people on the train heartless? No, probably not. Clueless? Sure.
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Their only defense? The shit-farm we call a culture here in the United States. What are these kids nursed on when it comes to cultural values, so that no matter what good-faith effort a beleaguered parent makes, they are riding into a stiff headwind? Reality TV, Extreme Anything, and the blind hope that some day you may get to make a sex tape that is bought by TMZ. The American Dream has become a national nocturnal emission, replete with a cold and scuzzy residue that no amount of turning away will relieve.
Or not.
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I would consider that statement extremely hard to substantiate -- what parent is going to admit to it? Thus you're left with what you've observed about parenting...95% of which takes place behind closed doors.
So your statement probably has meaning only to the extent that you've shared living quarters with a large and representative sample of families. And if that's really what you're claiming you've done, then I'm quite interested to know more details.
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There are too many tentacles to this octopus to go into here. The fact that a parent can't or won't admit what I observe of their behavior doesn't absolve them of it. And you may claim that the fact that I observe this behavior in them doesn't necessarily make it so, either, but I have one thing you don't--stark circumstantial evidence that nobody's home, literally and figuratively, these days when it comes to performing the tasks that a parent is charged with.
Things like disciplining a child, socializing them, helping them understand that when they are out in public, there is a different standard of conduct they are held to, because, guess what? Society requires it. And when that standard isn't met, society is diminished. It literally unravels.
Maybe you don't see any of the signs I am referring to. Then again, maybe you live on another planet and ride a unicorn. But because you doubt me, next time you're out and about, look around for a family that functions as it should: one where the members are loving, respectful, engaged by each other, and act like members of a group that recognizes itself by the way they act. Then maintain that vigil, and see how long it is between the time you saw the first group that met that standard and the time you noticed the second one.
Best of luck.
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Everybody except Basket is over 13 in the works of Gertrude Stein.
No, not a spelling error.
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But I digress...
I do appreciate what has to be the most literate response to something I have ever said here at Gawker. Truth to tell, you have now shamed me into going back to get my PhD, which will no doubt enable me to comprehend the full scope of your insights.
Gracie mille!
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(Don't laugh. Notwithstanding that little episode with Knute the Knife Thrower, the Bearded Lady and I have been very happy together.)
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If she answers, you've done a good job.
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Like whenever we see obviously young children posturing by their lonesome, when they're selling candy ("I'm not selling candy for no basketball team."), dancing and doing tricks in dirty jeans and t-shirts, or riding in a group when it's clearly school hours. We usually just roll our eyes. Perhaps we shell out a dollar, but really we don't take into consideration that it isn't safe, that they are still babies, really, and that they should be protected, and not disregarded as the "culture" of subway travel.
I know, we as adults should be asking questions of the kids, but that could be dangerous too. Perhaps ACS really needs to start working with transit, so that we stop looking at independent children as merely annoyances, entertainment, or "par for the course."
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Like someone said further downthread - it probably didn't seem so unusual to the people who were on the train for 10 minutes. And I think most people spend their time on the train reading or zoning out.
When you've got lots of people crammed in a small space, it's the only real alternative. I prefer when people ignore me on the train - it's an acknowledgment that we're involuntarily in each other's personal space and we're trying as much as possible not to intrude.
If he was sitting up napping, with headphones on, he probably looked like every other teenager on the train.
Yes, it's a very sad story and I do think the parents are having a hard time trying to figure out what to do. His mother says as much. He was diagnosed with Asperger's only a few years ago.
Were the people on the train heartless? No, probably not. Clueless? Sure.
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No he never returned
And his fate is still unlearned,
He may ride forever
'Neath the streets of....
uh....
oh....
Fuck Boston.