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Mediahohoho
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
The biggest lie right wingers like to tell themselves is that people who oppose them--liberals--are in cahoots, or even have anything in common with, Fundamentalist Islamists. In fact, being the true believers they are, the opposite is true. In 2001, before you know the Bush administration attended a conference on women's rights sponsored by the UN. And ended up aligning itself -- against women's rights, of course -- with three other governments: the Saudis, Afghanistan's Taliban government, and Sudan.

So take your revisionism--and your own religious and ideological fundamentalism--and shove it up you ass.

As for K-Lo, I won't read this insane person's rants, but I can tell you that every prominent conservative politician and religious "leader" in this country is a flaming philandering asshole.
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hypocriteoath
06/22/09

@Mediahohoho: I don't think the Repugs are any better or any worse in aligning themselves with the Fundy Islams. The Repugs and Dems disagree with each other so often that one side tends to align with the FI more so than the other... so one can always make this argument and it will always fall pretty flat on its face.
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Mediahohoho
06/22/09

@hypocriteoath: Maybe, maybe not. But I wasn't asserting that Republicans figuratively aligned themselves with Fundamentalist Islamic governments at a UN women's health conference in 2001; it was literal. I can't think of an instance where a Democrat-led administration did this. Can you?
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/22/09

@Mediahohoho: I do recall in the 911 Commission Report (an admittedly flawed document) reading that the Clinton Administration wouldn't make a large payment to the Taliban to hand over bin Ladin because they found their treatment of women repugnant (it is). I am not going to make a moral judgment on what the C.A. did, but I think that history has shown that it might have been a wise compromise.
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Mediahohoho
06/22/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: Yes. Because the Taliban always keeps its word, especially when extorting money from the west. What?
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
This is an insane point of view: "The fact is that, as a man of the hard Left, Obama is more comfortable with a totalitarian Islamic regime than he would be with a free Iranian society."

And so is this: "But it is all especially shameless because neo-conservatives-not the "hard Left"-were the only Americans publicly begging for an Ahmadinjead victory, so that they could-as they are now!-demand that Obama take a harder line against the Iranian regime."

Neither side has any love for this asshole and it is as disingenuous to assert that conservatives wish ill upon the Iranian people (by extension) as it is to accuse liberals of the same.
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Pareene
06/22/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: yes mine is an insane point of view WITH LINKS THAT LEAD TO PEOPLE ESPOUSING IT, LIKE ACTUAL REAL-LIFE NEO-CONS WISHING FOR THE REELECTION OF AHMADINEJAD.

but hey the easiest way to excuse the dumbest and most indefensible statements by any group is to play the old THEY DO IT TOO card so keep it up mr latrigue
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Niko Bellic
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
For the last time: when we are talking in global terms, Obama is a centrist.

Proof? He was elected a president of US, which is the rightmost industrialized, democratic country in the world. He is promising some changes in this country, but even if and when implemented, those changes will still leave the US where it is relative to other industrialized democracies countries: farthest to the right.

Enough with this ""socialist", "far left" and "hard left" crap. You'd crap your fucking pants if we really had a hard left president.
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/22/09

@Niko Bellic: By that argument, since we did not devolve into an Axis Power facist state, Bush/Cheney were slightly more conservative centrists than Obama. If we're keeping score: Obama is not Nik Lenin and Bush is not James Franco*.

*Yes, I know it's not Francisco Franco, but Pareene used an asterisk so I wanted to use one too. If people don't like it they can blow me.
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Niko Bellic
06/22/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: Where did I say there is no room to the right of Bush/Cheney before we get to Nazi Germany? I said "among the industrialized democracies" for a reason. Reason being that I didn't want to sound like a logic-twisting wack-job. I'd appreciate if you'd take the same care.

So, without further attempts to caricature my words or meddle the issue:

Can you please name a modern-day economically and politically upstanding country in the world which is to the right of US, and to the right of Barack Obama's stated goals?
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/22/09

@Niko Bellic: Well, what is your comparison measure of left and right? Is it solely health care? I'm not trying to be evasive but you have a few vague terms in your question. I also believe that there are countries that are to the left of the US, but are seeing a need to move in our direction. [online.wsj.com]

Really, I wasn't implying that you were the one that was making the facist argument, but I have heard it on here before. So, apologies if it came off as a shot across your bow. I guess it did.

My concern with Obama is the level of spending. This irks me much more than what he is going to spend it on. With that said, entitlement programs rarely shrink in size. So, the "what" does concern me more than a little.
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Niko Bellic
06/22/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: Trying to stick to what we are talking about here, here is the criteria:

1. Health care (raise of hands: how many of us actually do have insurance?)

2. Education (if your parents are not rich, you are fucked.)

3. Labor laws (vacation anyone?)

4. Social programs ("3 strikes" laws is not it)

5. Arts and culture support (no BBC here. Why does Jim Jarmusch have to make movies financed by Germany and Israel?)

6. Military (our doctrine seems to be "bomb the bastards")

7. Political System (only two parties? Really? Really And is it one person = one vote, or more like one dollar = one vote?)

8. Gun rights (everyone for themselves! yeee-haw!)

9. Financial system (up-down, up-down... your 401(k) still OK?)

10. Sports (care about Olympics? Of course not, there's no money in it)

I could go on.. but really, if you ever visited Europe (or Canada, or Japan) the differences are clear. I am not saying they are better in all of the solutions, I am just saying: they are all to the left of us.
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/22/09

@Niko Bellic: I wasn't trying to be a jackass with my asking for qualifiers, I really wanted to know what you were looking for. I have been to Europe and I have family in Canada, by most of these standards we are to the left of those governments. So, you make your point.

I was going to argue the merits or lack thereof of each of your points, but I think you were just trying to demonstrate how far left other governments are by comparison. I will point out that some of the most facist, reactionary governments have poured money into every one of your points with the exceptions of 7, 8 and maybe 9. For example, Hitler hosted the 1936 Olympics and hoped that it would be a showcase for his "superior" athletes.
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Niko Bellic
06/23/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: For example, Hitler hosted the 1936 Olympics and hoped that it would be a showcase for his "superior" athletes.

I am going to say this only once more, and never again: we are talking about modern day industrial democracies. Drop that Hitler shit already.
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ChillbearLatrigue
06/23/09

@Niko Bellic: Yeah, but I was pointing out that public funding for sports is not a right wing/left wing issue. The Munich games were just an example. I couldn't really come up with it on the spot. However, you don't dictate to me what I write. I could also point out that Napoleon had a variety of social programs, but I don't know his record on publicly funded athletics.
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Niko Bellic
06/23/09

@ChillbearLatrigue: Those games were in Berlin, not Munich (that's all I have the energy left for)
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johnny_carsick
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
KJL's column seemed much more interesting before i realized "martial infidelity" was just a typo.
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If_I_Had_a_Poodle
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
i guess the main issue is with the republicans and the dwindling numbers of people who support their nonsense is that they can't read or write.
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allyzay
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
big fuckin talk from a dude that spent the 80s dragging around a dead dude to parties with jonathan silverman.
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BadUncle
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
As a fat, bald member of NAMBLA, McCarthy should be ashamed.
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jamesi-kins
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
I liked him better in Class, with Rob Lowe and Jacqueline Bisset.
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rcdl
06/22/09

@jamesi-kins: No, you just can't beat him in Weekend at Bernie's. It's like a microcosm of the republican universe.
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blix
06/22/09

@rcdl: He was magic in Mannequin.
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Smitros
06/22/09

@jamesi-kins:

Wasn't he in St. Elmo's Fire, too, and/or The Breakfast Club?
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econdave
06/22/09

In reply to Andy McCarthy on How Barack Obama is Just Like Ahmadinejad
I seriously wonder how these people accept money for the garbage they put out. Shouldn't they be embarrassed to get a paycheck?
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DoctorEcks
06/22/09

@econdave:
To quote from "The Critic" Jay Sherman, when the character was a guest on "The Simpsons" - Talking to action star Ranier Wolfcastle....

Rainier: The film is just me in front of a brick wall for an hour and a half. It cost $80 million.

Jay: [contemptuous] How do you sleep at night?

Rainier: On top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.
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