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Seeräuber Jenny
10/28/09

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And here I thought that all women who weren't part of the office sex divertissements and believed they were disadvantaged as a result were just ugly, bitter, latent lezzies.
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TheSometimesWhy
10/28/09

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What I find interesting in the debate over why there are no women writers on staff at the major comedy shows is the failure to include an immutable fact that directly contributes to this indefensible result: that to allow women into the halls of comedy, Heaven forfend, you might actually have to exercise a little judicious self-restraint by NOT trying to bed every and any co-worker you found yourself working late nights and at close quarters with.

The loss of fart jokes, though tragic, would be nothing more than collateral damage. #davidletterman
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Seeräuber Jenny
10/28/09

@TheSometimesWhy:

The demise of the fart joke. Unimaginable. #davidletterman
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kermitdablogger
10/28/09

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he deserves most of the criticism he's getting. it's difficult enough being a female comedian among men who I've often heard whispering, "god, women just aren't funny."

throw sex in the mix and now it makes all women in this business seem like tramps.

this whole thing not only tarnished him, it set back the whole male-female work relationship in the entertainment biz even farther. #davidletterman
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If_I_Had_a_Poodle
10/28/09

@kermitdablogger: Are they all just afraid women would make fun of their pee-pees? #davidletterman
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thatgirlinnewyork
10/27/09

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these "conditions" describe much of the corporate world, as well--particularly if one has been exposed to the "executive level" anywhere. #davidletterman
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noonecaresowen
10/27/09

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Jimmy Fallon gets a lot of shit (most with good reason), but he currently has at least three female writers on staff. #davidletterman
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glucious
10/27/09

@noonecaresowen: Fallon's Phoenix-like career is one of television's stories of the year. I thought Fallon was a hack, one of the worst SNL stars - the jerk who cracked up and broke character all the time, the poster boy for mediocre box office bombs, the next Chris Kattan. I figured that Late Night would be the final humiliation for an atrophying career and Fallon would be quickly replaced.

Well, I was wrong. Fallon's Late Night is livelier, funnier, smarter, just plain superior to not only Leno's primetime torturefest but also Conan's watered-down and tired mainstreaming. I daresay that Fallon is more entertaining than the last couple of years of Conan's Late Night tenure. And who can watch Letterman anymore without being creeped out at this fossilized manwhore? #davidletterman
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ArmCandy
10/28/09

@glucious: I completely agree with this. Letterman's grumpy old man routine is tired, especially with this disapointing news about his true colors. And Conan has turned a new, 11:30 p.m. leaf -- thinking about setting up his next line instead of listening to his guests, and nervous laughter during anything even slightly controversial.

Fallon, on the other hand, has continued to impress me. Though he may sometimes lack in natural comedy, to me, his innovation and genuine likability has surpassed every other host this season. #davidletterman
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CODiva
10/28/09

@glucious: I agree with you 100%. I can't imagine how Leno's show is going to make it. How distracting is his sitting postiion in those armchairs? Bunched, hunched, in too deep and the feet/pantslegs deal that makes me switch channels it's so painful to watch. He slammed the ESPN mistress for not being pretty enough last night... it's all sliding downhill... #davidletterman
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CODiva
10/28/09

@ArmCandy: I think WE could do a better job than these three awkwards.... #davidletterman
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FlowChart
10/27/09

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The one thing everyone is overlooking is that men and women have different senses of humor. Males and females prefer different entertainment in general. Most of the stuff that appeals to both sexes equally is the stuff we make fun of. It's the same with age differences.

We all have different perspectives of the world. It's hard to be funny and popular to a diverse audience. Of course, staff fucking makes employment matters worse, but entertainment is not the same as law or medicine.
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SpyMagician
10/27/09

@FlowChart: You know what’s a great comedy you’d like? "Defending the Caveman!" And you know, I’m not too sure anyone has pointed it out before, but men seem to be from Mars, and women are from Venus!

And white people don’t know how to dance! AIRPLANE FOOD! My wife, PLEASE! #davidletterman
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Bos'un's Mate
10/27/09

@FlowChart: Sitting Caster Semenya, the South African runner, down to watch this cinematic masterpiece and observing his/her reaction (hysterical laughter? dumbfounded confusion?) would have settled the gender question once and for all. #davidletterman
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thatgirlinnewyork
10/27/09

@FlowChart: is that you, lorne?? #davidletterman
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FlowChart
10/27/09

@SpyMagician: Address your pleas to someone intimidated by all caps and exclamation marks.

I think you might be confusing the reality of diversity, i.e. human differences with the need for everyone to be more tolerant and respectful of those differences.

And you can't guess my taste in comedy, because you don't know my background and experiences. All you know is that I think men and women have different senses of humor and that my opinion offends you. #davidletterman
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Parah_Salin
10/28/09

@FlowChart: In the hospital where I work (in my head movies) we call it "staph fucking." #davidletterman
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jrhys
10/28/09

@FlowChart: Yeah your muzzy headed essentialist generalization offended me, both in its content and in its faulty logic. There are plenty of blacks and whites, oldsters and youngsters, who like what they are demographically not "supposed" to like. At this rate you'll be saying America could never elect a black president. #davidletterman
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FlowChart
10/28/09

@jrhys: Political elections are a good comparison to broadcast TV, because they both compete for wide audiences and the top prizes continue to be dominated by white men, but happily less so everyday. However, we have fewer political choices than media and entertainment ones, so we shouldn't exaggerate the meaning of Obama's victory. It only means demographics are changing, but they still matter more than anything else.

Go Barack, but in '08 more whites still voted Republican than Democrat, as has been the case since 1968 and desegregation. McCain won most of the former confederate states and did better among old people and white men. The southern states Obama won have newer and increasingly younger populations.

All of which proves my point about demographics determining our choices and who wins popularity contests. #davidletterman
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AngriestGeek
10/27/09

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So basically what you're saying is Larry Sanders was more accurate than we thought, except Larry would date hot stars. #davidletterman
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Kimrod
10/27/09

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1) I'd like to know the thought process behind the company name:

Worldwide Pants

I think there is more to it. Somewhere, I picture someone chuckling inside.

2) I'd hate to be in Letterman's pit crew, or any of his crew, show, racing, whatever. I'm a guy and he makes me feel ashamed for being so. #davidletterman
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Seeräuber Jenny
10/28/09

@Kimrod:

"Traveling Pants" was taken? #davidletterman
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BowlingForDollars
10/27/09

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And this post says what I felt when the whole Letterman thing broke.

If every other workplace on earth (or at least the U.S.) has to conform to HR standards, why not Worldwide Pants? Sounds to me like Dave's lucky he hasn't been hit with a massive sexual discrimination lawsuit yet.
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A Message To Rudy
10/27/09

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Wow, Dave was/in an insular, slightly meglomanical boss who treated his staff with different levels of favoritism. He sounds like quite a few of the media personalities I've seen/met/read about.

Correction: he sounds like ALL of them. #davidletterman
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Wrapitup
10/27/09

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Somewhere Harvey Pekar is rubbing his hands together in glee and laughing maniacally. No, scratch that. Pekar will probably put on an old jazz record and stare off into the distance while Joyce smiles gently to herself. Seriously though, the way Letterman fucked with Pekar revealed Letterman to be a raging asshole who messes with targets who're way less powerful than he is. Is it surprising that a man who misuses his power like that would give a shit about his female employees ? Every time a big-name Hollywood actress was on his show, it turned into a gross leer-fest. But we want to believe the smiling avuncular man on TV is a nice person who couldn't possibly do mean things. #davidletterman
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Swifter
10/27/09

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It's good to see there is a place where the misogynisim of old is still a revered institution and practiced regularly as a matter of corporate policy. These men join the pantheon of those who have made America great.

Harumph.
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HelenofPeel
10/27/09

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After all this stuff in the news, if I was Leno or Conan do you really think I would dare hire a female writer? Really? #davidletterman
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MissNormaDesmond
10/27/09

@HelenofPeel: Right, because it's the writers fault this happened. After all, there's no way to hire women and then not fuck them. That's just crazy talk. #davidletterman
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franimaljones
10/27/09

@HelenofPeel: yes, and we should all just put burkas on our head so as not to taunt the poor boys w/ our sexual ways... ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???? #davidletterman
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HelenofPeel
10/27/09

@MissNormaDesmond: No, that's not what I mean at all! All I'm saying is that this is the kind of news they will avoid at all costs... and all costs mean that women writers will be absent in the production... #davidletterman
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HelenofPeel
10/27/09

@franimaljones: Are you fucking kidding me that men like to get sued and be in the news?! #davidletterman
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mostlymartian
10/27/09

@HelenofPeel: Sure, they just have to not sleep with her. Is that really so hard? This recent stuff has been about interns and assistants anyway. #davidletterman
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HelenofPeel
10/27/09

@mostlymartian: You know what? I agree. Men should behave. How come they don't? And what man wants to be sued and in the news? Wrongly, they will conclude that for their own career safety they should not hire women...

Why is everyone here thinking I condone his actions?! I'm stating what the likely behavior will be. Gawd. #davidletterman
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HelenofPeel
10/27/09

@mostlymartian: Ok, for all of you, now listen up...

I AM NOT APPROVING OF THE BEHAVIOR! I am STATING the likely expected behavior of these guys in the future! Gawd! #davidletterman
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HelenofPeel
10/28/09

@mostlymartian: I would love to be able to respond to all these pithy remarks, but sadly Gawker STILL has not approved my account, so I am unable to make my point more clearly which is this:

I DO NOT APPROVE of what Letterman has done. I am not making excuses for these guys.

But... males being what they are, you can bet that a male celebrity talk show host is going to think twice about hiring a female writer because they are going to protect themselves first, worry about your or my career second... #davidletterman
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Parah_Salin
10/28/09

@MissNormaDesmond: "there's no way to hire women and then not fuck them. That's just crazy talk."
If only I had a nickel for every time I'd written that sentence in my diary... #davidletterman
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KittyCarlisle
10/28/09

@MissNormaDesmond: Thank you. It does make Clothing Optional Friday a challenge, you must admit... #davidletterman
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RandomLunatic
10/27/09

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"He's not going to ask the head of the cheerleading team to prom. He's going to ask the head of the band or something."

The staffer said that like there was something wrong with it. #davidletterman
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BrookGlen
10/27/09

@RandomLunatic: In my high school, all the cheerleaders were raging dorks. Homecoming AND prom kings and queens were in the marching band all four years of my high school... #davidletterman
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
10/28/09

@BrookGlen:

Is your high school in a college town? #davidletterman
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IamnotStarJones
10/27/09

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I'm wondering if Mo'Nique is doing the same thing with her staff. #davidletterman
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