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    11/20/09

    In reply to German Newspaper Feud Gets Penis-y
    Did anyone else get the "Pimmel über Berlin" (Penis over Berlin) pun? It riffs on "Der Himmel über Berlin" (The Heaven over Berlin) title of that famous Wim Wenders film aka Wings of Desire.

    No? Just me? OK, I'm a dork.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to German Newspaper Feud Gets Penis-y
    Now why doesn't the NYT do a Murdoch mural like that on the side of their building? These German are taking us to school on how a real editorial feud is handled.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to German Newspaper Feud Gets Penis-y
    That's what trying to conquer the world does to a country. You wind up with cocks on the sides of buildings.
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    Image of Richard Petty Bourgeoisie Richard Petty Bourgeoisie
    11/20/09

    In reply to German Newspaper Feud Gets Penis-y
    Also, read between the lines on the GMA item: The staffers are concerned about the show's basketball team as much as anything else.
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    Image of Richard Petty Bourgeoisie Richard Petty Bourgeoisie
    11/20/09

    In reply to German Newspaper Feud Gets Penis-y
    Right, because cobras have hoods, just like European wieners.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/20/09

    In reply to AP Layoffs: Final Thoughts
    "Probably the most striking thing about these layoffs was the high number of victims who were 10, 20, or 30-year-plus veterans of the AP."

    Of course they went for the olds. Old=expensive. Never mind the experience, skill, institutional knowledge, value, etc
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    Image of Sergio Hernandez Sergio Hernandez
    11/20/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: This.

    And I actually personally know two people, both 20-something college grads, who just interviewed for the AP's summer internship, too.

    That they laid off so many veterans is no surprise. It's an easy way to hire more "employees" for less money and obligation. You don't get health benefits or severance pay when you're just a longtime "intern," after all.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/20/09

    @Sergio Hernandez: Huge expansions with "freelancers' is what the entire news business did in the -80s and the internet wasn't even invented yet. It was so blatantly and egregiously an effort to avoid paying fair wages and offering decent benefits that the Labor Dept busted a lot of them for it.

    #tips
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    11/20/09

    @Sergio Hernandez: Huge expansions with "freelancers' is what the entire news business did in the -80s and the internet wasn't even invented yet. It was so blatantly and egregiously an effort to avoid paying fair wages and offering decent benefits that the Labor Dept busted a lot of them for it.

    #newspapers #greed #unionbusting #destroyingjobs
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    Image of manchops manchops
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rumors: Staff Shuffles at New York Post, Sports Illustrated
    You wanna save Sports Illustrated? GET RID OF TERRY MCDONNELL. The guy sat at Esquire watching circulation fall through the floor, his only real talent being to spend ungodly sums of money on basically nothing and for that he ends up being promoted to SI? I swear to god, the best way to save every magazine out there? Bag the over-paid, over-spending captian of the ship and keep everyone else's jobs.
    Tossing McDonnell is perhaps the best example of how this would save the industry.
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    Image of Molly Friedman Molly Friedman
    11/19/09

    @manchops: Terry actually "sat at Esquire" doing just the opposite: publishing dozens of literary icons, many of whom are now in the canon thanks in part to Terry's faith in them. Talese, Mailer, McInerney, Salinger, Hunter S. Thompson, Joan Didion, Cormac McCarthy...are you kidding me?

    Under Terry's editorship, Esquire was an ASME finalist SEVEN times. Just try comparing Esquire's (well-documented recently by DiGiacomo in VF) pathetic fiction to the work Terry accomplished back then.

    @Immaculate:
    1) Jann promoted Terry because he earned that ME position.
    2) "Personal habits"? You're actually chastising someone who worked at Rolling Stone under Wenner in the early 80s for having fun?
    3) Jann and Terry, to this day, are close friends. If Terry stole anything from Jann, it was a series of classic Hunter S. Thompson anecdotes due to the fact that HST adored Terry and wasn't so fond of Jann.
    4) Nick writes his own novels. Terry is (and will proudly admit it) an editor, not a writer. And an effing legendary one, who works seven days a week, has completely revived si.com (who do you think oversaw the CNN partnership?), and most importantly, a gentleman.

    Jealousy doesn't justify idiotic, ignorant bashing of someone you clearly know nothing about.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/19/09

    In reply to The Incredible Shrinking AOL
    Eeerily close to a decade since AOL swallowed Time-Warner
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    Image of snugbug snugbug
    11/19/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: I was really hoping that this thread would turn into a funeral commemoration about the good-olde days when AOL gobbled up Time Warner. I was working for the Fortune Group (which is part of Time Inc.) in 2000, at the precise moment when the merger hit, and I have some incredible stories.

    We all had stock options as part of our employee package, and were gleefully monitoring the skyrocketing stock prices. Also, in the spring of 2000, the Fortune mag publisher whisked ALL the national staff--editorial, ad sales, the whole crew, including assistants and such--on a one-week, all-expenses-paid vacation to Hawaii. (That was because the Fortune Group overtook People in ad revenue at the height of the dotcom boom, and the publisher wanted to celebrate that.)

    We all stayed in $500 rooms at the Four Seasons Manele Bay Hotel on the island of Lana'i. Everyone had rooms with an ocean view and got comped spa treatments. It's only 9 years ago, but it feels like it happened in some kind of mythical, fairy tale realm.
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    Image of badasscat badasscat
    11/19/09

    In reply to The Incredible Shrinking AOL
    There's a "You've got Mail!" joke in here somewhere. There always is.
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    Image of The Real JR The Real JR
    11/19/09

    In reply to The AP Layoffs, From Bismarck to Beijing
    Why did Constantinople get the works?
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    Image of danpgood danpgood
    11/19/09

    @The Real JR: That's nobody's business but the Turks.
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    11/19/09

    @The Real JR: Istanbul, not Constantinople.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    11/19/09

    @danpgood: Good They Might Be Giants reference.
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    Image of intime intime
    11/19/09

    In reply to The AP Layoff List
    Great. Soon we'll have to rely on Glenn Beck for the news and the entire country will go insane.
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    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    11/18/09

    In reply to Fox News Anchor Gets Real Job With The Onion
    Pat Kiernan is a god among men. More Pat Kiernan news please.
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/18/09

    In reply to Fox News Anchor Gets Real Job With The Onion
    Finally, she will get paid for SPECIFICALLY being funny and nonsensical, instead of being paid inadvertantly for the same thing.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    11/18/09

    In reply to Fox News Anchor Gets Real Job With The Onion
    Re: Suzanne Sena/The Onion:

    One wonders if she's an area woman.
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    11/18/09

    @AzureTexan: Her first assignment: reporting on the breakdown in the accord between the gaywads and the dorkwads.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    11/18/09

    @A Message To Rudy: I look forward to hearing how everyday Americans feel about this issue.
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/18/09

    @AzureTexan: And Shmoove.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    11/18/09

    In reply to AP Layoffs, Bureau Closures Updated
    I'm throwing an old-fashioned Irish wake for the news business.

    Care to join me?
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    Image of drunkexpatwriter drunkexpatwriter
    11/18/09

    @NewsBunny: You know, it's funny, nine years ago when I left the news business because I thought online would kill it, everyone I worked with called me an asshole.

    These days those same people are sending me emails asking if I can hire them for anything, wanting advice on how to break into the type of work I do and kissing my ass.

    I'm not sure how educated people whose job it is to question things were able to not see this coming and get out of the business before the shit storm.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/18/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: Same.
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    Image of drunkexpatwriter drunkexpatwriter
    11/18/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: I also wonder how publishers didn't realize before it was too late that giving their product away for free online was going to be a bad business decision.

    It's too late now, but if back in the day newspapers had said "we are a physical product, we are not going to go online and if we do you are going to have to pay for it" they would be in a better position today.

    But, instead they somehow believed that people would keep paying for their content once they could get it for free.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/18/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: I have a different take on it -- that the newspapers should have invented Craigslist and ebay

    #tips
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    Image of drunkexpatwriter drunkexpatwriter
    11/18/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle:

    And why didn't they? Seriously, the entire reason publishers were supposed to be making all the money they did was that they had tons of information at their disposal and were supposed to use it to create the best services possible.

    These are the people who invented classified ads - and they couldn't come up with Craigslist?
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    11/18/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: Well, I stayed in the business because A) I had just broken into New York B) I truly do love my work C) I had survived radio consolitation O rama.

    NOW I'm trying to get out. You hiring?

    #tips
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    11/18/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: That's been my argument, too! The biggest mistake made in the last decade was giving away content for FREE.

    Again, you hiring?

    #tips
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    Image of drunkexpatwriter drunkexpatwriter
    11/18/09

    @NewsBunny:

    Not hiring. As it is my partner and I are able to crank out all the diet pill ads and porn that come in the door.
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