@Solomon Grundy: Also, I hope the first ep includes a Go Fish-esque coffeeklatch about how fucked up it was to make Max pregnant and then portray it so disrespectfully. And the hot butch gets so mad about it she punches a hole in the nearest drywall. Much cheering would ensue chez Grundy.
kind of off topic but I've been waiting for a Coop mention on here so I could ask this... How does AC get to do the 60 Minutes gig while holding his post at CNN?
I believe the article actually says it is Nancy Grace not Jane Velez-Mitchell who is pulling in the Olbermann and Brown beating ratings: "For the past three months Ms. Grace's tabloid-oriented show has outdrawn Campbell Brown on CNN and Keith Olbermann on MSNBC programs among 25-to-54-year-olds."
Who knew that many people had an appetite for night after night of screamy go nowhere Casey Anthony coverage?
The reason I mention Anderson Cooper isn't to say "he should be out too," but just to show two rock-star anchors at CNN taking two very different approaches to talking about their sexuality and both having good results. It's heartening that the person with "out"/open approach is having success too.
@Ryan Tate: I didn't get that you were in any way judging AC at all from your post. You acknowledged that there is a conversation about AC's outness, as a lead in to someone doing the opposite approach (to comedic effect!). Don't second guess yourself. First thought, best thought.
Both of those women are cable show hosts, but they are not really "news anchors". They are commentators who deal in opinion (and in Jane's case lots of loud aggressiveness). Maddow's show is openly directed to and draws a leftist audience. Headline News is totally ratings driven info-tainment schlock - I should HOPE HN get good ratings no matter who the host is given ratings is their raison d'etre. Nonetheless, I'm glad they're both out and doing well in their field.
It's still untested how a traditional national news anchor rather than a commentator would fair if they came out officially, and how a male would fair. People tend to have somewhat fewer hang ups about lesbians, and these women had major lesbian TV personalities like Rosie and Ellen already blaze the trail and to watch fall into pitfalls and try to pull themselves back up.
Thomas Roberts career trajectory hasn't been that favorable an omen, but Cooper has been navigating his edge out well (not to mention the endless outings from other sources) and I'm sure if he wants to officially finish it up he will while still holding on to a successful career. I think Roberts showed how important it is to stick around in your job after coming out. He left CNN and moved cities for his partner's career and couldn't manage to get hired for news again or even keep a tabloid TV job. I don't think Roberts ever showed ability to transmit appealing personality or connect with audiences the way Cooper does either, and he didn't have Cooper's fall back measures of being a contributor to other shows. Hopefully Roberts is happy and non-bitter right now wherever he is.
Mainstream audiences are far more accepting of lady gays than they are of non lady gays. Anderson would have to have a sex change before SUV driving soccer moms and dads would accept his Latino loving ways.
(The) two anchors have each drawn enough viewers to make a solid case that you can be openly lesbian and a huge success in TV news. Fixed. Hi Kitten_Witawip!
At the risk of being flamed and/or losing my star, can I say that I think this "Anderson must be out, because yada yada yada" is incredibly unfair. I think, too often, we not only heap unnecessary expectations on people in the public eye, but we align them with agendas that they never took on. Anderson Cooper is gay- everyone who lives in NYC, is in entertainment or journalism, or is into gay culture knows that shit. It isn't a secret, and I don't see him taking great efforts to hide it. He just doesn't talk about it, or seem to want to be defined by it.
And we can all go back and forth as to whether that's 'open' or fair or whatever of him; whether he 'owes' himself, or the gay kid in West Bubblefuck who thinks he doesn't belong, the freedom of complete disclosure and belonging...but it's his choice, and, frankly, I don't see why anyone (lgbt, straight, whatev) should get to bitch-smack him about it every second as if he's a gay man living as a right-wing anti-gay Republican. At this point, he's made his choice, and I don't blame him for drawing the line on not answering personal questions, since his choice isn't really being respected.
I'd love to see everyone who lives in the public eye out, but I don't think I get to push my personal agenda (in this regard) on others. I also love to read dirt on people in the public eye, and being that ACoop is pretty much 'living' out, I love to see pics of him with guys on Gawker, and speculate. But, for real, I think the belief that if folks just keep asking (and expecting it of him), he'll become a complete open book regarding his personal life, has really got to just die now. Let the man, at least live, in peace. Or else, we're like Perez Hilton or some shit.
@TheMac: From now on, I'm going to tell people I'm from West Bubblefuck. It's totally true, I just never knew that was the real name of the place, until you said so, just now.
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Who knew that many people had an appetite for night after night of screamy go nowhere Casey Anthony coverage?
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It's still untested how a traditional national news anchor rather than a commentator would fair if they came out officially, and how a male would fair. People tend to have somewhat fewer hang ups about lesbians, and these women had major lesbian TV personalities like Rosie and Ellen already blaze the trail and to watch fall into pitfalls and try to pull themselves back up.
Thomas Roberts career trajectory hasn't been that favorable an omen, but Cooper has been navigating his edge out well (not to mention the endless outings from other sources) and I'm sure if he wants to officially finish it up he will while still holding on to a successful career. I think Roberts showed how important it is to stick around in your job after coming out. He left CNN and moved cities for his partner's career and couldn't manage to get hired for news again or even keep a tabloid TV job. I don't think Roberts ever showed ability to transmit appealing personality or connect with audiences the way Cooper does either, and he didn't have Cooper's fall back measures of being a contributor to other shows. Hopefully Roberts is happy and non-bitter right now wherever he is.
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What I do hope is that JVM's openness will help promote more acceptance within that older target demographic and it will ultimately benefit gay males.
Odd to consider that women seem to cheerfully accept gay male hairdressers but don't want to get their news from gay males.
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Hi Kitten_Witawip!
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She also borrowed the lipstick from the waitress as well, is what I'm thinking.
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And we can all go back and forth as to whether that's 'open' or fair or whatever of him; whether he 'owes' himself, or the gay kid in West Bubblefuck who thinks he doesn't belong, the freedom of complete disclosure and belonging...but it's his choice, and, frankly, I don't see why anyone (lgbt, straight, whatev) should get to bitch-smack him about it every second as if he's a gay man living as a right-wing anti-gay Republican. At this point, he's made his choice, and I don't blame him for drawing the line on not answering personal questions, since his choice isn't really being respected.
I'd love to see everyone who lives in the public eye out, but I don't think I get to push my personal agenda (in this regard) on others. I also love to read dirt on people in the public eye, and being that ACoop is pretty much 'living' out, I love to see pics of him with guys on Gawker, and speculate. But, for real, I think the belief that if folks just keep asking (and expecting it of him), he'll become a complete open book regarding his personal life, has really got to just die now. Let the man, at least live, in peace. Or else, we're like Perez Hilton or some shit.
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Somewhere, somewhere, there lies the American dream incarnate.
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