There is something really weird going on here with Leslie Mann, her daughter, and Zac with the little boy hairdo (she is kinda funny nearly unscripted).
Natasha, I think describing Leslie Mann as a 'comedienne' is being way too complimentary. She merely specializes in acting in funny films that are produced by her husband where she says lines written by Seth Rogen and her husband. It's not hard to be funny when someone else has done most of the difficult work for you.
Most male and female comedians spend at least a few grueling years agonizing over and writing material and then having to perform it in seedy stand-up venues or with very selective comedy troupes. If they're lucky enough to get their own TV shows or star in movies, they still have the shared burden of coming up with the jokes. I think calling someone a comedian/enne is something that must be earned. Leslie Mann is just a member of the lucky wives club.
@Wrapitup: Wow. You are just really, really wrong. "Lucky wives club?" Ugh. If you want to point out the difference between a STAND UP comedian and a comedic actor, fine, but I think "comedienne" is completely right.
Her performance in 40 Year Old Virgin MADE those lines funny, not the other way around.
Awww! 'Lucky Wives Club'? that's mean! So in LM's defense and my own, I think she has really great timing and phrasing. She rarely goes for the obvious or screechy gag. I thought her and Rudd were the best part of 'Knocked Up'. Serious!
@MrsButterworth: Agree. Even with a funny script not every actor is funny--sometimes they even suck the life out of material. I hate nepotism, but Mann always proves herself and is a legitimately funny, talented actress. She nails it.
@Natasha VC: Thanks for your response. Yeah I agree with you about her strong acting talents. So as the others said, maybe 'comedic actress' then?
As for the 'Lucky Wives Club' dig, I stand by that. There are tons of actresses in LA who are at least as talented as Leslie Mann. But she's lucky enough to be married to someone who gets to make major casting decisions while many other really good actresses toil in obscurity.
I forgot he had to do with the near-perfect Larry Sanders show until I caught him on "Inside the Actors Studio" the other night, one of the strangest shows on TV. Lipton rattles off film titles, "Knocked Up," "Forgetting Sarah Marshall..." like they're cures for cancer. I think Apatow is at least self-aware enough to be uncomfortable.
The spoiled man-child unwillingly dragged into adulthood by an accomplished woman who ought to be spending her time more wisely is a meme that has to die. In art and in life.
I think he needs to be careful. There is a such thing as the Shyamalan effect. Where you internalize your movies sooo much that you can't see past the vision, to the lunacy, and the overall major suckage, and so you lose that thing that made you unique, cool, and irreverent. And at the point you're making movies about make believe, stupid, villages that lie about the year, and sea-people or some such that confound Paul Giamatti, who got in on the wave wayyyy too late. (I'm also looking at you Wahlberg. The Happening! Yeah, the happening of the suck-ass confirmation.)
So yeah, Apatow. Don't do that. Don't be Prince in Purple Rain.
@Spirit Fingers: I wish I could promote your comment. That third sentence needs to be framed and nailed to the wall of every artist and businessperson in America. It says more about the need for dissent in projects than most management textbooks ever could.
OOoo yes! The Shymalan effect! It's true. Why did no one grab M. Knight and say "Hey! There are sea-people in your movie, getagrip!" The Happening is only redeemable on the campy level.
I loathe most of this man's films but find his riffs amusing and appealing. If he really does want to make the world a better place, he should just Twitter, 24/7.
After the drastically overrated Knocked up, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, etc. its amazing to go back and see the brilliant work he did on The Larry Sanders Show
@StanGable: Forgetting Sarah Marshall was kind of a shit sandwich but to be fair I think that was a paycheck-collecting project which involved one of his special foster children carving out a space in the world. Knocked Up you can hold the guy fully responsible for, and yeah, that one did leave kind of a bad taste in my mouth
Disclaimer: {This is not in response to this article or Natasha's writing, which I enjoy very much!}....
...But WTF is up with Defamer these days? Short staffed? There is like an epoch between each of the 7 or so posts that come up per day, half of which are ganked from Jezebel. C'mon...if Eonline can post 25 PR friendly items per day, surely you can find a bit more to discuss? Starting to remember again why I left Defamer for 6 months earlier this year...
There is some (really talented) staff on the way to get out more content faster! Right now it's just lil' old me in the (cyber simulated) glitter trenches. I work over at E! Online too and they have a lot of staff. Defamer is getting there.
For now it's a quality over quantity but, but you know, tough stuff. But I'm glad you're digging what we got! :)
@Natasha VC: Thanks Natasha! I'm on your side, trust me! I look to Defamer to give me the pop culture editorials and hidden nuggets that make life in Hollywood bearable! Here's to hoping for some more of the "I'm gonna forward this awesomeness to a friend" material like video clips, clever cross references, and straight up nasty dirt sans Defamer 2008! Good Luck!
@PootyT: No, it was brilliant and to HELL WITH THIS DAMN POST! I will never be ashamed of loving that movie. It was the most underrated movie in my recent memory.
Well, I find it interesting that in the latest ads for the movie, the whole marital/I'm dying drama arc has been reduced significantly. Now it's mainly about the stand-up, especially if Comedy Central and HBO have anything to say about it, as both are showing the funny stand up bits as stand alone movie extras. That seems like a big change of focus to me. So that tells me the studio wasn't as impressed with Mann's melodrama. You get the impression that after the "funny" is over, you really won't want to stick around for whatever else is left, you know all the emoting, true-love realizations, and awkward moments between Apatow's wife and Happy Gilmore.
By the way, if this turns out to be a hit, Sandler needs to kiss the ground Apatow walks on. His last like 12 movies should have really relegated him to a VH1 reality show by now.
@Spirit Fingers: I work as a projectinist at a movie theater and, let me tell you, the marital/I'm dying drama arc has not been "reduced significantly" from the newest trailer (at least the one we currently have on screen, the second one released). This trailer has NO MENTION AT ALL about that aspect of the film. The closest it gets is that "funny" scene in the doctor's office. Other than that, it focuses heavily on the comedic side of the film. Play the two trailers side by side and you're looking at two completely different films.
Can't get over how this poster is begging me to watch the movie, like a kitty uttering silent meows to be petted. Least self-confident propaganda in memory.
@snugbug: Seriously. It is inviting and adorable. It's almost like three of my friends being all slouchy and calling me over to hang out. Only it'll cost me at least 12 dollars and I'll have to smuggle in candy in my purse.
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Most male and female comedians spend at least a few grueling years agonizing over and writing material and then having to perform it in seedy stand-up venues or with very selective comedy troupes. If they're lucky enough to get their own TV shows or star in movies, they still have the shared burden of coming up with the jokes. I think calling someone a comedian/enne is something that must be earned. Leslie Mann is just a member of the lucky wives club.
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Her performance in 40 Year Old Virgin MADE those lines funny, not the other way around.
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Awww! 'Lucky Wives Club'? that's mean! So in LM's defense and my own, I think she has really great timing and phrasing. She rarely goes for the obvious or screechy gag. I thought her and Rudd were the best part of 'Knocked Up'. Serious!
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As for the 'Lucky Wives Club' dig, I stand by that. There are tons of actresses in LA who are at least as talented as Leslie Mann. But she's lucky enough to be married to someone who gets to make major casting decisions while many other really good actresses toil in obscurity.
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Mr. Larry Sanders has a pretty great cameo in 'Iron Man 2'. I saw the clip and I missed him.
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So yeah, Apatow. Don't do that. Don't be Prince in Purple Rain.
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OOoo yes! The Shymalan effect! It's true. Why did no one grab M. Knight and say "Hey! There are sea-people in your movie, getagrip!" The Happening is only redeemable on the campy level.
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Do not fear the beard. Give in to Apatow, I have. The water's fine.
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...But WTF is up with Defamer these days? Short staffed? There is like an epoch between each of the 7 or so posts that come up per day, half of which are ganked from Jezebel. C'mon...if Eonline can post 25 PR friendly items per day, surely you can find a bit more to discuss? Starting to remember again why I left Defamer for 6 months earlier this year...
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Segunded. Mas!
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There is some (really talented) staff on the way to get out more content faster! Right now it's just lil' old me in the (cyber simulated) glitter trenches. I work over at E! Online too and they have a lot of staff. Defamer is getting there.
For now it's a quality over quantity but, but you know, tough stuff. But I'm glad you're digging what we got! :)
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Well I think your work is the bees knees. (No clue who Judd Aptow might be, but he seems very nice)
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You are the wing beneath my bee wings!
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Here it is: Flight of the bumblebee, at 6,000 frames per second.
http://mosca.caltech.edu/outgoing/Doug_files/BeePressMaterial/2003_12_12-1410%20cam2%20compressed.avi
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Explain yourself!
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Oh it wasn't bad! It just wasn't typical Apatow brillz, ya know. But I still quote the chainsaw scene!
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By the way, if this turns out to be a hit, Sandler needs to kiss the ground Apatow walks on. His last like 12 movies should have really relegated him to a VH1 reality show by now.
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Like his movies, but they are always too long.