I certainly don't believe that Fox News is an unbiased media outlet, but if you go to 7:30 into this video, you will find the reason that I continue to watch. Other than CNBC, I have not seen other networks come out and really expose President Obama's spending policies. If a network is covering this presidency and that is not a significant portion of their coverage, they are skewing the perception of Obama. Now, I will agree with most of you that Fox may never miss an opportunity to take that shot, but downplaying this recklessness is also unacceptable.
Incidentally, I went to the FAQ area of Recover.gov to see if my question was listed. It was not. My question is: "How much of the stimulus package has been spent so far?" I'm hearing about a quarter of it after almost half a year. Disgraceful
@ChillbearLatrigue: I have no idea what you're talking about. All the networks are talking about the Obama administration's record spending and giving ample coverage to the criticism thereof. You're probably right in that Fox News is talking about the future results of those policies in the future as if they're actually news, but thing is, that's not news, that's opinion. We don't know what's going to happen in the future. I don't. Fox News doesn't. You, also, don't.
@Mediahohoho: You're right. I don't know what's going to happen in the future. However, if I spent more than I earned every month for years, relied on creditors to supplement the shortfall, then started to introduce new ways to spend money that I don't have, while all of my existing expenses continued to expand, I think you and I could make an accurate prediction about what's going to happen.
You may be correct about the other networks covering this issue. I currently only get about two hours of news a day. I could be missing the spending criticism.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Where was Fox News' criticism of Bush when he was racking up record deficits? The fact is they are only criticizing Obama on this issue because they don't like Obama. Not because it's news.
Regardless, yes, it's different when Obama spends and Bush spends. Not all spending is the same. Obama's spending is on programs that are designed to get the economy moving again. Bush's spending was on programs designed to grind the economy to a halt. Seriously. (It worked, too.) Two totally different things. You don't get a whole lot of return on investment on a bomb dropped in the middle of a desert in a little country halfway around the world that poses no threat to us. Yet this reckless spending was just fine with the Republicans, and Fox News.
It remains to be seen if Obama's spending is going to work, but how many people do you hear talking about us being on the edge of a new great depression anymore? And only a growing economy can ever get rid of the deficit - if he'd let things languish the way they were, as Herbert Hoover did, then we'd have had trillion dollar deficits for 20 years.
@badasscat: To begin with, there are plenty of commenters on Fox News that did and still do talk about Bush's deficit spending. Many times it was from a commenter who was playing the role as a liberal foil, but the idea that Fox was trying to keep a lid on Bush's spending is ludicrous.
"Obama's spending is on programs that are designed to get the economy moving again." This is patently untrue. Obama had an $800 billion dollar stimulus package passed in February. He has spent $200 billion of that money. A great deal of that cash was on loans to states to pay off their debts. That is not spending to stimulate the economy. My proof? The economy continues to languish as the $600 billion remainder is only being allowed to trickle out. You're right about not getting a return on the bomb being dropped. You get stimulus, though, when you have to pay people to make a replacement bomb. Those people then go out and buy clock radios and eat in restaurants with their wages. That's stimulus. It's not a particularly palatable example, but if we are being accurate that is exactly what dropping bombs does. In fact, the only kind of government spending policy that does not create any kind of stimulus is one that requires the cash to sit in a huge escrow account for future programs.
If we were actually brought back from the verge of the Great Depression and that could be attributed to a government action, then we owe it to the last important bi-partisan bill passed: The TARP - signed into law by George W. Bush after receiving a great deal of support from a Democratic Congress.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Well, here's the thing. Your personal finances bear absolutely no resemblance to macro-economics. So, yes, your creditors would be absolutely fucked if you took the actions you describe. And your credit rating would suffer (although you'd still probably be able to get a mortgage from your Republican friends at Countrywide).
But that has nothing to do with the argument you and Fox News are making. Predictions, especially in economics are opinions, which is fine. You have your opinion. Fox News, which deals exclusively in opinions (although it didn't really express much of an adverse opinion about fighting a completely unnecessary to benefit one corporation on the taxpayer die) is, here--and just about every time O'Reilly opens his mouth--calling the kettle black.
I don't think you're missing the spending criticism on other networks, I think you're tuning it out because it doesn't fit with your preconceived ideas. You tend to do that a lot.
@Mediahohoho: "I think you're tuning it out because it doesn't fit with your preconceived ideas. You tend to do that a lot." I guess that's another opinion now isn't it?
Seriously, I used to get to watch a lot more news. What I said about the coverage is my genuine perspective. Incidentally, I watch more hours of CNBC than Fox and CNN combined. The comparison between the federal governments spending and my personal finances is entirely apt. If the federal government continues to deficit spend, the currency will devalue and they will eventually not be able to borrow from their creditors. The Chinese do not have to buy our debt anymore than Citibank has to offer me more credit.
What is irrelevant in terms of the economy is whether or not the war was necessary. The money side of this thing doesn't know whether we went into a war for good reasons or fabricated ones. It only knows what it costs. I'm not really interested in switching every conversation about the economy to a statement about the war. It serves no purpose.
@ChillbearLatrigue: I am just as bored by your turning a conversation about the media into a discussion of spending as your are by others turning a conversation about spending into a conversation about the war. My opinion is that it was a war that we could neither afford nor justify.
But I'll say it again: your opinion about what will happen as a result of today's economic policies is opinion and, as you're not an economist, an uninformed one. Same with O'Reilly, who never met a minute of airtime he couldn't fill with his bias. For him to bemoan the state of today's media is, simply a joke.
I don't really feel like watching these two ass clowns anymore, but I'm fairly sure their blithering idiocy only serves to make their own point, although completely not in the way they intended. Also, I'm fairly sure a 20 second search of Bernie Goldberg's sad sack bitching would turn up an early career beat-down by Uncle Walt that would reveal everything we need to know about that whiner.
Can you imagine if Cronkite were on the air today telling the truth about the Iraq war? The idiot Fox trifecta that is Hannity, O'Reilly and Beck would be calling him a commie, America-hating traotpr/
How could you not mention the moment at about 6:50 when Bernie Golderberg says that AIDS was essentially no big deal and overhyped by liberals. Naturally his logic was that he didn't see any of the straights with AIDS and only the gays. What an asshole...
@The Van Buren Boys: That was just fifteen shades of crazy white man talk. Apparently the liberal media is responsible for AIDS. Oh wait, I take that back, AIDS is actually completely made up by the LM. And teh gheys. And Keith Olberman.
@The Van Buren Boys: Honestly, there's so much crazy talk I consume watching Fox for this gig that I think I'm becoming desensitized to it. However, that comment by Goldberg isn't nearly as retarded as a lot of the shit spouted daily on that network on Beck's show, O'Reilly, Fox and Friends and Hannity.
I hope you guys link to those "artistic" photos my sister's dim-witted boyfriend took of her and posted on his blog. It might help to redirect the heat I'm taking for knocking up Ellen. Probably not, I know.
I just find Sarah Palin's Wardrobegate, frought as it is with brand names and seven year-olds carrying fake Vuitton, much more satisfying somehow. Maybe if this Blagojevich attempted to trade the Senate seat for a really sparkly Judith Leiber bag I could get behind it more.
you guys are all making a lot of dumbass comments, but the dumbest are the ones insinuating that mike wallace isn't a terrible asshole with some severe lapses in journalistic heroism himself.
07/21/09
25 years in a job, sure screams failure to me.
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Incidentally, I went to the FAQ area of Recover.gov to see if my question was listed. It was not. My question is: "How much of the stimulus package has been spent so far?" I'm hearing about a quarter of it after almost half a year. Disgraceful
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You may be correct about the other networks covering this issue. I currently only get about two hours of news a day. I could be missing the spending criticism.
07/21/09
Regardless, yes, it's different when Obama spends and Bush spends. Not all spending is the same. Obama's spending is on programs that are designed to get the economy moving again. Bush's spending was on programs designed to grind the economy to a halt. Seriously. (It worked, too.) Two totally different things. You don't get a whole lot of return on investment on a bomb dropped in the middle of a desert in a little country halfway around the world that poses no threat to us. Yet this reckless spending was just fine with the Republicans, and Fox News.
It remains to be seen if Obama's spending is going to work, but how many people do you hear talking about us being on the edge of a new great depression anymore? And only a growing economy can ever get rid of the deficit - if he'd let things languish the way they were, as Herbert Hoover did, then we'd have had trillion dollar deficits for 20 years.
07/21/09
"Obama's spending is on programs that are designed to get the economy moving again." This is patently untrue. Obama had an $800 billion dollar stimulus package passed in February. He has spent $200 billion of that money. A great deal of that cash was on loans to states to pay off their debts. That is not spending to stimulate the economy. My proof? The economy continues to languish as the $600 billion remainder is only being allowed to trickle out. You're right about not getting a return on the bomb being dropped. You get stimulus, though, when you have to pay people to make a replacement bomb. Those people then go out and buy clock radios and eat in restaurants with their wages. That's stimulus. It's not a particularly palatable example, but if we are being accurate that is exactly what dropping bombs does. In fact, the only kind of government spending policy that does not create any kind of stimulus is one that requires the cash to sit in a huge escrow account for future programs.
If we were actually brought back from the verge of the Great Depression and that could be attributed to a government action, then we owe it to the last important bi-partisan bill passed: The TARP - signed into law by George W. Bush after receiving a great deal of support from a Democratic Congress.
07/21/09
But that has nothing to do with the argument you and Fox News are making. Predictions, especially in economics are opinions, which is fine. You have your opinion. Fox News, which deals exclusively in opinions (although it didn't really express much of an adverse opinion about fighting a completely unnecessary to benefit one corporation on the taxpayer die) is, here--and just about every time O'Reilly opens his mouth--calling the kettle black.
I don't think you're missing the spending criticism on other networks, I think you're tuning it out because it doesn't fit with your preconceived ideas. You tend to do that a lot.
07/21/09
Seriously, I used to get to watch a lot more news. What I said about the coverage is my genuine perspective. Incidentally, I watch more hours of CNBC than Fox and CNN combined. The comparison between the federal governments spending and my personal finances is entirely apt. If the federal government continues to deficit spend, the currency will devalue and they will eventually not be able to borrow from their creditors. The Chinese do not have to buy our debt anymore than Citibank has to offer me more credit.
What is irrelevant in terms of the economy is whether or not the war was necessary. The money side of this thing doesn't know whether we went into a war for good reasons or fabricated ones. It only knows what it costs. I'm not really interested in switching every conversation about the economy to a statement about the war. It serves no purpose.
07/21/09
But I'll say it again: your opinion about what will happen as a result of today's economic policies is opinion and, as you're not an economist, an uninformed one. Same with O'Reilly, who never met a minute of airtime he couldn't fill with his bias. For him to bemoan the state of today's media is, simply a joke.
And thus we arrive where we started from.
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Btw, I am feeling far more judgmental toward Blago right now than I ever have about Palin. And I'm a screaming liberal commie pinko.
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