I think this is the first time I've gotten actual positive pleasure out of reading comments I don't promote. Some things are just plain funny. #tomcruise
@spikelike: Can you then please control those geo-magnetic storms on the surface of the sun that are giving us all skin cancer? Thanx you in advance! #tomcruise
Tom Cruise believes he can move bottles and ashtrays with his mind, I pretend to believe that a stale bread wafer and cheap wine is the blood of Christ.
Tomato/Tomahto if you ask me... #tomcruise
@TheUptightMidwesterner: Naah. The ingestion of the wafer and wine is a symbolic ritual act; the act of communion with God. Rituals are what religions are built upon. Rituals, secular or religious, are necessary because that's how us humans sort ourselves out in relation to the unrelentlesly chaotic nature of Life, with a capital "L."
A ritual is a concrete physical act endowed with spiritual meaning. I fail to see the spiritual meaning behind shifting bottles and ashtrays "just to prove that you can." Then again, I'm not that familiar with the profound scholarship of Scientology. #tomcruise
@TheUptightMidwesterner: Well said. Everyone has their beliefs, even the Agnostic or Atheist. Most sound crazy on the surface - so direct inquiry and open study is essential. Any system that doesn't allow healthy, open investigation on all levels must be suspect. #tomcruise
@snugbug: And snugbug, I hate to say it, because I feel like I'm on a hating trend tonight, but I think you're not all that familiar with many sects of Christianity.
Catholicism being the big one, where it's not a symbolic act, it's literally the body and the blood of Christ according to la Pope. #tomcruise
@BaconForTheSoul: Don't worry, it's all good in the neighborhood. I was brought up Catholic, and am all too aware that according to the Council of Trent and Pope Paul VI, via that famous 1965 encyclical on the mystery of the holy eucharist, the wine + wafer are supposed to be the body of Christ in a real, immediate sense. However, I don't buy it. I take many of my marching orders from the Pope, but I'm selective about it. Joseph Campbell broke this down for me much more logically..
@DannyOcean: You know what? I think I failed at expressing myself cogently in my initial comment. What I meant was--according to Vatican dogma, yes, the eucharist = the real flesh + blood of Christ. But to me that interpretation is short-sighted and limited. I mean, Vatican has perfected the art of propaganda over the course of 2,000+ years.
If you step back, and embed this ritual into a larger mythological and religious context, it's clearly symbolic. Beautifully symbolic, too. #tomcruise
@snugbug: Scientologists aren't afforded the chance to take a logical approach to their religion. It is a very all or nothing game.
While it may be accepted for a practicing Catholic to state that they take some things with a grain of salt (there-by reducing the shock-impact pf a blunt statement such as "this cracker is jesus-flesh), it seems a bit unfair to pull this card when the comparison religion is polarized.
I am not defending scientology, I am just saying that your defense of the eucharist is unfair, because when presented seriously (a la Pope), it is just as wacky.
Suppose I am saying that just because you don't subscribe to the super wacky version yourself doesn't make it any less so. #tomcruise
OK, Tom. I see the point of being able to levitate large inanimate objects. It comes in handy when you're switching around furniture or trying to squeeze your car into a tight parking spot. But what's the practical benefit of moving around small things with your mind? Just get off yer heinie and move the damn book.
I'd also like to introduce a motion to name the process of needlessly levitating small things "Cruise control." #tomcruise
@snugbug: I think you've forgotten "when you're trying to lift your X-wing out of a swamp" or "fighting wrinkly old Emperors who want to kill you." #tomcruise
@pureblarney: LOL, I admit my mind, too, instantly honed in on the derivative nature of the levitating bottles trick. The Scientologists SO stole it from Star Wars! #tomcruise
I've been wondering lately about people in the early stages of Scientology. Do they get beat up like the big wigs do, or does that wait until you move up in the org? Do they put up with the same crap we keep hearing about? #tomcruise
@mommy_dearest: I was thinking about this when reading the recent pieces in the St. Pete paper. I was wondering about the guy described in one of those stories who was a chef and his wife. They agreed to bed checks and insane work hours for little pay. If you read the piece it seems pretty clear that the church hierarchy are quite good and using the carrot of eternal salvation as a means of control. Add in the fact that some (though not all I'm sure) people enter the church not feeling all that great about themselves, or with addiction, economic or emotional issues, and people will cede control of their lives and put up with a lot of shit. From those St. Pete Times stories it sounds like a lot of low level church members (or people on the outs within the church) live in seriously substandard housing owned by the church. Who, as a healthy, well adjusted adult, would agree to that? It's like being grounded at age 30. #tomcruise
@BicycleShed: That is what I was thinking, too. The people who are seeking answers tend to be vulnerable already. But if they get abusive too early, people won't stay, so I assume the real abuse doesn't start until people are fully invested. I'd like to hear the reasons people do stay. What are they getting out of it? Not like the celebrity experiences- I tend to discount them. The St. Pete articles are so fascinating. I have read every one and they read like some kind of crazy novel! #tomcruise
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Tomato/Tomahto if you ask me... #tomcruise
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A ritual is a concrete physical act endowed with spiritual meaning. I fail to see the spiritual meaning behind shifting bottles and ashtrays "just to prove that you can." Then again, I'm not that familiar with the profound scholarship of Scientology. #tomcruise
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Potayto Potahto #tomcruise
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Catholicism being the big one, where it's not a symbolic act, it's literally the body and the blood of Christ according to la Pope. #tomcruise
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[www.vatican.va] #tomcruise
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If you step back, and embed this ritual into a larger mythological and religious context, it's clearly symbolic. Beautifully symbolic, too. #tomcruise
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While it may be accepted for a practicing Catholic to state that they take some things with a grain of salt (there-by reducing the shock-impact pf a blunt statement such as "this cracker is jesus-flesh), it seems a bit unfair to pull this card when the comparison religion is polarized.
I am not defending scientology, I am just saying that your defense of the eucharist is unfair, because when presented seriously (a la Pope), it is just as wacky.
Suppose I am saying that just because you don't subscribe to the super wacky version yourself doesn't make it any less so. #tomcruise
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I'd also like to introduce a motion to name the process of needlessly levitating small things "Cruise control." #tomcruise
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